anyone know much about loans?

Old One said:
Listen to Rel...
(1) Do you have at least 6 months of living expenses set aside to cover your personal needs during store start-up (food, clothing, mortgage on the new house) so you don't have to rely on any income coming from the business (12 months is even better)?
Yes, I do have means to cover my living expenses other than the business, I unfortunately do not plan to make profit in year one.
Old One said:
(2) Have you done a formal business plan?
I am in the process of doing a formal business plan, it is for the most part finished and needs to be looked over.
Old One said:
(3) Have you thoroughly researched your idea (including location, rent, inventory, suppliers, local business taxes, possible competition, previous start-up efforts in the retail line you are attempting that either succeeded or failed)?
Yes, we have the numbers for rent, we have a location that is a great spot, we have the actual price of our total stock that we are going to be paying, we have a variety of distributors so that we can shop around for the best discount on our product, we have spoken with the city and state about requirements and tax info, looked into competition and previous similar retail stores.

I would like to think that we have done our homework and research and we aren't going into this as just "I got a cool idea for a store, let's do it."
One thing we haven't done, that we will look into now that you mention it is contact SCORE.

Please do not think that you are being a buzz-kill, as I appreciate any real advice such as you've given. If you don't mind me asking what types of small businesses have you built?
 

log in or register to remove this ad

and fore those interested the house is only $23,000, probably requireing about $10,000 work for a total of $33,000.

It's in batesville, AR.
 

punkorange said:
and fore those interested the house is only $23,000, probably requireing about $10,000 work for a total of $33,000.

It's in batesville, AR.

The secnario you've described here sounds like over half the loans I worked on in the last year.
Up front, let me say that until September of 2005, I was a lisenced Loan Officer in the state of Ohio. I am 100% certain that AR real estate laws are substnatially different from OH, and I KNOW the market there is different too.
I also know zlich about starting a business, so I'd listen to those that do.

As for the home loan. One thing I always mention to people is that there are dozens of ways to buy a home. Do some homework and find what works best for you.

You have said that you have a co-singer, so I'm assuming that you're trying to get a conventional, or BC loan with you as the applicant, and your co-signer as the co-app, right?

Obviously, you're going to get a slightly worse rate that way than if your credit was good enough to get the loan on your own. Have you exhausted the possibility of getting the loan yourself? Without knowing your exact financial details (which I DON'T want to know, as I am NOT lisenced in your state!) I can't say for certain, but be sure you talk to both a bank, as well as a mortgage broker. Rates and fees will differ!

Is this house you're looking at for sale by owner, or are you going through an agent? You can save a lot of money if you go FSBO, but there's more legwork required on your part.

Have you met the owner? See if you can. Tell the owner up front what you're looking to do with the house. See if they are willing to make concessions. It's a trivial matter for the seller to pay your 3% down, and just raise the price of the house by 3% to recoup his expense. I arranged this on almost every loan I wrote in the past year. People aren't always aware that it can be done, but once it's explained to them, it often works out to everyone's benefit.

If you are a first time home-buyer, you really need to look into getting a FHA loan. YOu will get the best interest rate possible, and they are not as concerned with your credit score, as much as they are with your past years payment history, and ability to make the proposed payment. However, you mentioed that this house needs work. If it has any sort of structural deficiency, you will have a TERRIBLE time trying to go with FHA. They inspect the house almost as much as they inspect the borrower! The same can be said for a VA loan, but if you are a veteran, it's worth looking into. If anything, VA offers an even stronger loan than FHA, and will often go to bat to have the seller make any needed repairs before the sale goes through!

What are the possibilities of buying this house through a land-contract scenario? If your co-applicant has sufficent credit to get the loan themselves, they will likely get a better rate without you on the loan at all. After that, it's a simple matter to have you added to the deed. You can take over the payments, and later refinance the home into your own name.

Speaking of re-finance. Since you say you're likely looking to draw the equity from this home to start a business. Don't overlook your payment options. While an adjustable rate mortgage is not usually an ideal situation for most people, if you're looking to re-fi in a few years anyway, why not take a 2/28 adjustable rate, and save yourself a point or two? The rate is fixed for the first two years, and you can always refi to a fixed term when you set up the equity withdrawal.

Lastly, let me caution you. No matter how nice a guy your banker/broker seems to be, remember that he's trying to make a living. Don't expect him to roll over and hand you a no-fee loan. It's not gonna happen.
However, on the same hand, make sure that your banker/broker is being up front about fees and costs. Be sure that everything is disclosed. Ask what kind of yield spread the broker is getting. If he's an honest dealer, he'll have no problem telling you. (And if he's getting more than 2-4 points of YSP, then he's taking you to the bank!) Be aware that banks are NOT required to disclose YSP, but an honest one will. If a broker tries to hide fees, etc. run away! They are crooked!

Above all, don't make snap decisions. Even if you think the deal sucks and you're planning to walk, don't bail too fast. It doesn't hurt you in any way to leave a deal simmering (as long as you don't have a dated purchase agreement, or other offers on the property). If you can take your time and let the lender simmer, they might find a better deal for you. This is especially true of brokers, as they can re-work your loan, and shop it to different lenders, and with different parameters.

I know this is a LOT of information to absorb, but keep your wits about you, and you should come out OK.
 

I first of want to thank all of you who have provided information and help with the home loan, I think that me and my wife are planning on turning down the home. I don't know if it is something that we want to tie ourselves up with right now and it is a very small home and we plan on having another child soon. It would probably make a good rental property but would require about $10,000 to fix it up to a good renting condition and it is my impression that rental property can be pretty iffy.

Also thank any of you who have offered advice on the business.
 

punkorange said:
It would probably make a good rental property but would require about $10,000 to fix it up to a good renting condition and it is my impression that rental property can be pretty iffy.

I agree with this (from the standpoint of somebody who used to be an appraiser). If home prices are as low as you imply in your area then I wouldn't expect there to be a strong rental market.

On the other hand, if you're planning on being in the area for more than just a couple years, and if the prices are in the range that you're suggesting, I'd seriously consider buying a home instead of renting. Unless you're staying with a relative (or a home owned by a relative) for free (or close to it) then your monthly mortgage is going to be comparable to a rental. Depending on how much money you and your wife make and what other debts you have, you could pay down a 40K mortgage very quickly and own that home free and clear within just a few years.

About that, let me say this: I've got a small business and a mortgage. I'd be happier if I didn't have to pay that mortgage. ;)
 

Rel said:
I agree with this (from the standpoint of somebody who used to be an appraiser). If home prices are as low as you imply in your area then I wouldn't expect there to be a strong rental market.

On the other hand, if you're planning on being in the area for more than just a couple years, and if the prices are in the range that you're suggesting, I'd seriously consider buying a home instead of renting. Unless you're staying with a relative (or a home owned by a relative) for free (or close to it) then your monthly mortgage is going to be comparable to a rental. Depending on how much money you and your wife make and what other debts you have, you could pay down a 40K mortgage very quickly and own that home free and clear within just a few years.

About that, let me say this: I've got a small business and a mortgage. I'd be happier if I didn't have to pay that mortgage. ;)


What I meant by a good rental property is to buy it, fix it, then rent it.
This house is very cheap even for my area, the average house here is something like $50,000 to $100,000
 


punkorange said:
Yes, I do have means to cover my living expenses other than the business, I unfortunately do not plan to make profit in year one.

I am in the process of doing a formal business plan, it is for the most part finished and needs to be looked over.

Yes, we have the numbers for rent, we have a location that is a great spot, we have the actual price of our total stock that we are going to be paying, we have a variety of distributors so that we can shop around for the best discount on our product, we have spoken with the city and state about requirements and tax info, looked into competition and previous similar retail stores.

I would like to think that we have done our homework and research and we aren't going into this as just "I got a cool idea for a store, let's do it."
One thing we haven't done, that we will look into now that you mention it is contact SCORE.

Please do not think that you are being a buzz-kill, as I appreciate any real advice such as you've given. If you don't mind me asking what types of small businesses have you built?

punkorange,

Glad to hear you are doing your homework...does my financial planner heart good ;)!

Both the business I have started and sold were small service businesses. The first was a part-time pet sitting business. Went from $0 to $35k in revenue in about 15 months (1994-96). The second was my first financial planning/tax business (1996-98). After working for others for a couple of years, I started another financial planning business in 2002 (and don't plan to sell this one).

I did look very seriously at opening a retail game store in the 1994-96 time frame (all the way up to getting a loan commitment from an SBA lender), but decided that the risk/reward ratio was too high.

~ OO
 

Old One said:
I did look very seriously at opening a retail game store in the 1994-96 time frame (all the way up to getting a loan commitment from an SBA lender), but decided that the risk/reward ratio was too high.

~ OO

I'm afraid that this conclusion is supported by the data I've seen. Doubtlessly there are those out there who do well with game stores but I've know the owners of several and they all seemed to have two things in common: They worked like crazy and they never seemed to have a lot of money.
 

Rel said:
I'm afraid that this conclusion is supported by the data I've seen. Doubtlessly there are those out there who do well with game stores but I've know the owners of several and they all seemed to have two things in common: They worked like crazy and they never seemed to have a lot of money.

Yep...

The overhead is too high, the margins are too thin and it is almost impossible to do without some other "offering" (such as comic books, arcade or some other draw). I came to the conclusion that while I was in love with the romantic ideal of the perfect gaming store, I liked being able to pay my mortgage more!

As an aside, one of the funnest businesses I have been involved with is the pet sitting gig. If you don't mind working holidays and weekends and market the business properly, you can make a very good living with very low overhead. The women we sold the business to back in 1996 has done extremely well with it...the last time I spoke with her (about 18 months ago), she had 6 part-time employees and was focusing on managing/growing the business. She netted just over $50k in 2003...not bad.

~ OO
 

Pets & Sidekicks

Remove ads

Top