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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 3879002" data-attributes="member: 22882">How in the world is Howardian style magic supposed to take place on the skirmish level?  Even the most powerful sorcerers of the Hyborian Age take a great deal of time to cast their spells and mostly use them on the army or nationwide scale.  Their combat abilities, so to speak, tend to stem from some of them being, in effect, martial artists.In other words, you'd have to extrapolate for playability. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> It's not entirely fair to say the combat abilities Vetinari had in his youth come from his assassin training, though.  Most Discworld assassins are ineffective - yet Vetinari, largely by the independent study he engaged in without the guild's sanction, was extremely deadly.  The same keen mind that serves him well as the Patrician made him one of the most dangerous hired killers on the Disc despite being kind of an average physical specimen.As for Vetinari's manipulation - he is certainly capable of manipulating people on an individual basis.  Because of what he's doing (running Ankh-Morpork), his machinations usually play out on a wide scale, but even when he's personally endangered and forced to interact with theoretically dangerous people, he maneuvers them into a position where they either can't afford to harm him or do something they think is harming him but actually puts him right where he wants to be.  In both cases, they almost always get killed or captured by his allies or minions or other unwitting pawns.  Or Vimes.</blockquote>

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