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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 3879685" data-attributes="member: 32536">I really don't understand this argument at all. I don't think this is a particularly useful analogy.Anyways, as far as I can understand it, your "extrapolation", would result in the exact thing I would call a Warlord (or maybe a rogue). I really don't understand your point...Well, if you ask me, Salome is exactly what I would call a Warlord (though with his magical abilities, mace, and haircut, you can probably get away with calling him a cleric).Well, from my perspective, what they do is create a situation advantageous to their allies. On that scale, the difference between buffs and debuffs is vague at best.Mediators, huh? I wouldn't call it a Strategist (especially using your definition of a strategist), since their abilities are all charisma. They don't plan, they just... talk. The Negotiator from d20 Modern is pretty close, really. An interesting class concept, and with a good design it might work well as a martial controller, but I don't quite agree that it is what I would call a Strategist.On a side note... By Hyuge Ricdeau, you are referring to Citan Uzuki, right? I know Xenogears well enough that I once wrote a 10+ page summary of the entire backstory of Xenogears, going from the Eldridge to the start of the game, from memory, but at first glance I didn't have a clue about who the heck Hyuga Ricdeau was when you mentioned him. Not a common name for him, at all.Anyways, Citan is not really a good model for any kind of character class, considering that he is the ultimate videogame renaissance man. Medicine, mecha engineering, swordsmanship, magic, hand to hand combat, mecha operation, tactics, esoteric knowledge, espionage, etc... About the only thing the man can't do is get his daughter to talk to him.You misunderstand me. I am not saying that Warlords are not dumb, I am saying that being smart is their core schtick. The difference between a Fighter and a Warlord is that a Fighter is just tough, while the Warlord uses his moves in an intelligent manner to create openings in his opponent's defenses for his opponent to exploit, and adjusts the flow of battle in his favor.I wish we actually had the rules, so we would know which one of us was right about the Warlord, and knew with better clarity what the terms Leader, Martial, and Controller all meant. It would save a lot of debate...</blockquote>

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