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<blockquote data-quote="fluffybunbunkittens" data-source="post: 9467737" data-attributes="member: 7037492">On the multiclass, I don't think it makes sense to spend 3 levels if the main reason is just getting renewable smites, when you could get a new feat with those levels and Rogue would get +1d6 (and a half) of sneak attack every turn without using up their bonus action for it.Thief by itself looks like great fun if you can get any kind of an assured access to wands (<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/thief-rogues-and-items.706079/" target="_blank">the mundane items are fine but not that impressive in the long run</a>). However... a Thief/caster1 dip works even without requiring that item access (you craft your own bonus action scrolls), it just scales up if you get any (and you can use a wider pool of spellcaster-only items, and can roll to use high-level scrolls), and is IMO just a better Arcane Trickster. AT also happens to become a sad second-stringer if your party ever gets an arcane full caster in it, while Thief/caster1 has their bonus action shenanigans always making them relevant.Of course, Thief is not a good fit for anything else that uses up those bonus actions, so in those cases Arcane Trickster would be the much more reasonable pick.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fluffybunbunkittens, post: 9467737, member: 7037492"] On the multiclass, I don't think it makes sense to spend 3 levels [I]if[/I] the main reason is just getting renewable smites, when you could get a new feat with those levels and Rogue would get +1d6 (and a half) of sneak attack every turn without using up their bonus action for it. Thief by itself looks like great fun [I]if[/I] you can get any kind of an assured access to wands ([URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/thief-rogues-and-items.706079/']the mundane items are fine but not that impressive in the long run[/URL]). However... a Thief/caster1 dip works even without requiring that item access (you craft your own bonus action scrolls), it just scales up if you get any (and you can use a wider pool of spellcaster-only items, and can roll to use high-level scrolls), and is IMO just a better Arcane Trickster. AT also happens to become a sad second-stringer if your party ever gets an arcane full caster in it, while Thief/caster1 has their bonus action shenanigans always making them relevant. Of course, Thief is not a good fit for anything else that uses up those bonus actions, so in those cases Arcane Trickster would be the much more reasonable pick. [/QUOTE]

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