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Hello again, Ggray -
Nope.
No offense to all the 4E players, but this is not like 4E either in execution nor in design philosophy (from what I know of it).
The Tiers obviously are indicative of how powerful or skilled an entity is, but we tried to stay away from the whole, this means you're a Paragon, but if you're Tier x, then you're God-like.
Let's see if I can give you a notion of what I mean.
Tier 1 Rank 0 is the experienced Hero. You are NOT some kid just off the farm. You've been around the block a few times, but while you're not having epic poems sung about you, you are head and shoulders more competent than the "joe" soldier or famer.
Then you have Tier 5. That's where you start to bump up against ancient Drakes or very powerful Il'Huan Brood Mothers (creatures we created for Arcanis).
So there's a large range of power there, but I can't (really won't) put a label on it because it just doesn't apply.
Does that make sense?
Best,
Nope.
No offense to all the 4E players, but this is not like 4E either in execution nor in design philosophy (from what I know of it).
The Tiers obviously are indicative of how powerful or skilled an entity is, but we tried to stay away from the whole, this means you're a Paragon, but if you're Tier x, then you're God-like.
Let's see if I can give you a notion of what I mean.
Tier 1 Rank 0 is the experienced Hero. You are NOT some kid just off the farm. You've been around the block a few times, but while you're not having epic poems sung about you, you are head and shoulders more competent than the "joe" soldier or famer.
Then you have Tier 5. That's where you start to bump up against ancient Drakes or very powerful Il'Huan Brood Mothers (creatures we created for Arcanis).
So there's a large range of power there, but I can't (really won't) put a label on it because it just doesn't apply.
Does that make sense?
Best,
I get the sense of what Tier 1 is.
For Tier 5, would the players be coming across "world changing" type events?
For example, if a Tier 5 ancient Drake ends up killing all the players in a TPK, could this ancient Drake end up "ruling the world"?
I have just about every d20 book you guys released during the "d20 glut" era (prior to 2006), except for the mind-flayer one. I was scavenging stuff from various Arcanis books, for use in my own 3E/3.5E homebrew settings at the time.
By the time it was 2007, the gaming stores in town (and in nearby towns) stopped ordering any new non-WotC d20 titles. So I wasn't aware of the 2007 hardcover version of Codex Arcanis.
Just wondering. Was "Year of the Fall" ever published in book form? (I've never seen it at any gaming stores).
Fifth Element
Legend
I'm not sure how that's terribly difference from 4E's defences?
Fifth Element
Legend
Is there any substantive difference between Tiers/Ranks and Levels? It seems from your description that it's a different name for basically the same concept.
Hello Ggray,
Well, the world is a big place.
Let me give you another scenario
*****SPOILER ALERT for YEAR 6 of Living Arcanis*****
In the grand finale of our 6 year story-arc, the Heroes had to reveal the existence of a False Emperor on the throne of the most powerful empire in the Known Lands, and then fight the Valinor (think Arch-Angel) that was the puppet master behind the scenes.
Now we also hedged the player's bet by having them quest for and gaining the use of a powerful artifact that neutered the Valinor's power by a large margin, but even so he would have TPK'd all the tables had they not been stalling so that an ancient ritual could have been used to trap him.
In 3.5 terms, all the players were about 19th or 20th level.
If we were to reconstruct this battle in the new system, the Heroes would be Tier 5.+ and the Valinor at least Tier 7 or so.
Back to the question at hand, would the Mad Valinor have "conquered the world"? Nope - just that corner of it. There are other forces that are just as powerful that would have to become involved had the Heroes failed.
Does that answer your question?
Best,
Well, the world is a big place.
Let me give you another scenario
*****SPOILER ALERT for YEAR 6 of Living Arcanis*****
In the grand finale of our 6 year story-arc, the Heroes had to reveal the existence of a False Emperor on the throne of the most powerful empire in the Known Lands, and then fight the Valinor (think Arch-Angel) that was the puppet master behind the scenes.
Now we also hedged the player's bet by having them quest for and gaining the use of a powerful artifact that neutered the Valinor's power by a large margin, but even so he would have TPK'd all the tables had they not been stalling so that an ancient ritual could have been used to trap him.
In 3.5 terms, all the players were about 19th or 20th level.
If we were to reconstruct this battle in the new system, the Heroes would be Tier 5.+ and the Valinor at least Tier 7 or so.
Back to the question at hand, would the Mad Valinor have "conquered the world"? Nope - just that corner of it. There are other forces that are just as powerful that would have to become involved had the Heroes failed.
Does that answer your question?
Best,
Hello,
I've heard that from a lot of our players, but 'Yes' Year of the Fall was released and sold out a few months later.
We do have it available as a PDF however.
Best,
I've heard that from a lot of our players, but 'Yes' Year of the Fall was released and sold out a few months later.
We do have it available as a PDF however.
Best,
Hello Fifth Element,
I was going by the formula Ggray gave me, as in the level/2 modifier.
Avoidance is not a modifier, its more analogous to a TN or Armor Class.
Perhaps the error is my unfamiliarity with 4th E. The kind folks at WotC sent me a complimentary copy of the 3 Core Books, but after giving them a look I decided it just wasn't a good fit for Arcanis and moved on.
Best,
I was going by the formula Ggray gave me, as in the level/2 modifier.
Avoidance is not a modifier, its more analogous to a TN or Armor Class.
Perhaps the error is my unfamiliarity with 4th E. The kind folks at WotC sent me a complimentary copy of the 3 Core Books, but after giving them a look I decided it just wasn't a good fit for Arcanis and moved on.
Best,
Hello again Fifth Element,
I believe there is.
As I explained earlier, as the Hero gains the experience points necessary to advance to the next Rank or Tier, they get to choose what sort of advancement they will receive.
Now let's skip 4E due to my limited exposure to it and compare that to 3E.
As you go up in levels, the Class or PClass tells you what the character receives and you don't really get a choice.
Now, if you're referring to the very basic definition that Ranks/Tiers are a form of defining advancement and nothing else, then "Yes", there isn't that much of a difference with Levels. (Using those parameters).
Best,
I believe there is.
As I explained earlier, as the Hero gains the experience points necessary to advance to the next Rank or Tier, they get to choose what sort of advancement they will receive.
Now let's skip 4E due to my limited exposure to it and compare that to 3E.
As you go up in levels, the Class or PClass tells you what the character receives and you don't really get a choice.
Now, if you're referring to the very basic definition that Ranks/Tiers are a form of defining advancement and nothing else, then "Yes", there isn't that much of a difference with Levels. (Using those parameters).
Best,
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