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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shurai" data-source="post: 339024">A 5th level fighter with a reasonable amount of tweakage (Greatsword +1 flaming, wpn spec, 18 str), is dealing, on average 19 points of damage.Even a fighter who goes the sword & board route (Bastard Sword +1 flaming, wpn spec, 18 str), is dealing, on average 16 points.  This is per attack.Even if you back it off to default-array characters (16 str after 4th level ability point increase) you're still getting 17 and 15 points respectively, per attack.If we rock it all the way back to a +2 sword instead of +1 flaming, it's still 15 and 13 points each, per attack.  Multiple attacks, cleave, power attack, and other stuff will change it of course.So if we leave out the feats, assume default-array characters, and scale back the magic weapon a bit, and assume that only one attack hits, then the fighter is getting roughly equal damage per round against one opponent.-SPS- I do agree with you about the rest of your post though, Fireball is definitely strong for its ability to garauntee a fair amount of damage against many opponents.  The numbers you were giving for fighters were a little low, that's all.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /></blockquote>