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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6306096" data-attributes="member: 95493">I know that for the longest time (and still default back to it to this day) that I thought Bel was female.It does make me wonder though, thinking back to the 3.5 image of the Pit Fiend and Balor, how would we know if the picture depicted a male or a female one? Unless a picture has anatomical parts visible or implied I don't see how we can confirm for certain what the gender of a creature that is not humanoid really is. Sometimes it is explicit, but often times - most times I'd dare say - it is NOT clear. If they hadn't given the Dragonborn (or similar) in 4e mammary glands, I would have had a hard time determining the gender of any draconic/reptilian folk.And if I follow the philosophy of the Abyss correctly, then having girl parts is probably the hardest way to confirm if anything is actually female - since that would be a mostly foreign or at least anthropocentric point of view to assume boobs = girl. We would never say tentacles = male would we (as an example)? Either way... I don't know.To go back to the original point of this thread; I thought the news that Succubi (at least some of them if not all of them) were going to end up playing both sides (pun sort of intended). Being employed by both Devils and Demons, claiming to belong to both. In order to appease people from 4e and pre-4e bases at the same time. I predicted this would be a bad idea, love or hate the idea at least 4e was firm on where they belonged. But I thought that this was almost exactly where they ended up after the (I want to say 2?) poll(s) on this subject that they conducted during development in the Wandering Monsters articles. This would just be a specific representation of that playing both sides. Maybe we'll see Archfiends for both factions and some neutral ones, to really spread out the Succubi and let DMs use whatever alignment and motive they want. I do have to admit that as appeasement goes that isn't too bad, but we'll have to see what the actual execution ends up looking like.Also, as far as "a bit too early" why wouldn't Balors and Succubi be in the Monster Manual? That's coming out this year. Granted if they follow my personal advice on such things then they won't include such info in that particular book, but historically I know they might do just that.</blockquote>

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