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<blockquote data-quote="dasheiff" data-source="post: 4274578" data-attributes="member: 67307">I admit it is a bit convoluted and the more I look at it the more I think I'm wrong. The way it's written though makes what you guys say right, skill challenges aren't really doable at all.Okay, on page 72-73 DMG Step 2 of Skill Challenges it tells you to use the chart on page 42 for the DC. Now the example on page 42 uses a single skill check so it gets a +5, however, this is for a skill challenge so you wouldn't at the +5. Sadly, it does say that the skill challenge uses skill check, which would mean the +5 does go in there.Sadly, this means that for each moderate DC (at 1st level) in a Skill Challenge is 20. Since each player has to make rolls the best we can hope for is that one player has a skill at +15 (the best) two players have a +10 (trained in the correct stat) and the other two at +0 (not trained and in a weak stat).&nbsp; Meaning that by on average for a 10/5 (full encounter challenge) if they each go twice they will have on average 5.5 successes and 8.5 failures. Meaning that when getting to 10 successes they will get about 15.45 failures, making it nearly impossible to ever complete a skill challenge. However, if we assume the moderate DC is 15 with the same characters. We get an average of 7 successes and 3 failures in 2 full rounds which means that on average they'll get 10 Successes around the same time as 4.3 Failures which actually makes it winable more often than not. Remember, encounters are ment to be winable, while the books seems to suggest rules that make that impossible it can't be the correct reading of the rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dasheiff, post: 4274578, member: 67307"] I admit it is a bit convoluted and the more I look at it the more I think I'm wrong. The way it's written though makes what you guys say right, skill challenges aren't really doable at all. Okay, on page 72-73 DMG Step 2 of Skill Challenges it tells you to use the chart on page 42 for the DC. Now the example on page 42 uses a single skill check so it gets a +5, however, this is for a skill challenge so you wouldn't at the +5. Sadly, it does say that the skill challenge uses skill check, which would mean the +5 does go in there. Sadly, this means that for each moderate DC (at 1st level) in a Skill Challenge is 20. Since each player has to make rolls the best we can hope for is that one player has a skill at +15 (the best) two players have a +10 (trained in the correct stat) and the other two at +0 (not trained and in a weak stat). Meaning that by on average for a 10/5 (full encounter challenge) if they each go twice they will have on average 5.5 successes and 8.5 failures. Meaning that when getting to 10 successes they will get about 15.45 failures, making it nearly impossible to ever complete a skill challenge. However, if we assume the moderate DC is 15 with the same characters. We get an average of 7 successes and 3 failures in 2 full rounds which means that on average they'll get 10 Successes around the same time as 4.3 Failures which actually makes it winable more often than not. Remember, encounters are ment to be winable, while the books seems to suggest rules that make that impossible it can't be the correct reading of the rules. [/QUOTE]

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