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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Puggins" data-source="post: 4355748" data-attributes="member: 12386">Well, let's compare Eladrins to Humans.  Let's skip the attribute bonuses for now.Humans and Eladrins each get one extra skill.  That's a wash.Eladrin get +1 will.  Humans get +1 to everything.  2 Points to humans.Eladrin get automatic proficiency with longswords and longbows.  Minor benefit that comes into play for certain classes and paragon paths.  1 point to Eladrin.Humans get an extra feat.  3 points to humans.Eladrin get +5 saving throws vs. Charms.  Very nice, but situational.  1 point to Eladrin.Eladrin get +2 to Arcana and History.  Arcana is especially nice for ritual casting, but let's call it 1 point.Eladrin have Fey Origin/Trance.  I can't see either weighing too often. no points.Humans get a bonus at-will power.  Very nice. 3 points.Eladrin get Fey step, which is even nicer than the extra at-will power IMO, since you're getting your third choice of at-will. let's call it 4 points.Eladrin get low light vision.  Let's call this 0.5 points.Totals:Eladrin: 7.5 pointsHumans: 8 pointsSo humans are ever so slightly ahead in this completely arbitrary grading.  Now let's talk about the attributes.Humans are certainly more versatile.  But clearly, any race that has dexterity OR intelligence as a prime attribute gives eladrins an advantage here, if only a small one.Clerics: humans have the edge for certain.Fighters: humans have the edge.Paladin: humans have the edge.Ranger: humans have the edge for melee, Eladrin for ranged.  This is a wash.Rogue: Eladrin have the edge.Warlock: Humans have the edge.Warlord: Humans have the edge for inspiring presence, Eladrins have the edge for Tactical Presence.  This is a wash, with the tiniest edge to humans for their versatility in which score to pump in Tactical.Wizard: Eladrin have the edge.In two classes Eladrin have a clear edge.In four classes Human have a clear edge.One class is a wash.Another is a wash with a slight edge for humans.So are humans a better race than Eladrin?  Well, it's difficult to say.  Fey step is a big, big deal.  I sorta think I might have undervalued it even at four points.  I'd say as a whole humans win out, but there are four classes where Eladrins have advantages over them in certain builds, at least.  That's not too bad, is it?As for whether for the attributes in isoaltion, it's pretty clear that Eladrin bonuses are far superior to the human bonus in at least two classes.</blockquote>

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