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Are single class martials still going to be viable in 2024?
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9434607" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Not really. The base damage is the same for 2 rounds peer short rest and lower for all the other rounds.</p><p></p><p>However in addition to Nick, the Monk also gets weapon mastery in the light weapon that is not Nick, meaning the multiclass is ahead even on the rounds where the 2nd level Monk would use FOB.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And only has one Weapon Mastery so he is not ahead, he is still behind after spending a feat because the multiclass is getting mastery bonuses from two weapons every turn instead of only getting it from Nick.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No he is not, he will be ahead the whole game. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know that 15 will be the requirement for heavy armor, but even if it is, the investment for a 15 and maxing strength is significant and more so when you consider the Paladin aslo uses Charisma for his aura and spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can get better Feats, bump Charisma and not lose any damage.</p><p></p><p>On point buy: Start with a 14S, 17Charisma</p><p></p><p>Then take GWM at level 5 (boosting strength to get your plate) and then get a Charisma feat to do more damage than you would with PAM while also having a higher Constitution.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You actually get GWM three levels earlier (level 5) because you would not even get PAM (your martial arts attack does more damage than your PAM bonus).</p><p></p><p>Also PAM works great in a white room, but in play it ties you to a few weapons. Everyone I have seen play PAM has eventually switched to a staff or something that did not work with it at all, because there are not many really good magic Glaives or Halberds in most campaigns. If you want to use it in play you are probably going to eventually switch to a staff because there are not many weapons that work with it besides staff.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is worth it at every level except level 5.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9434607, member: 7030563"] Not really. The base damage is the same for 2 rounds peer short rest and lower for all the other rounds. However in addition to Nick, the Monk also gets weapon mastery in the light weapon that is not Nick, meaning the multiclass is ahead even on the rounds where the 2nd level Monk would use FOB. And only has one Weapon Mastery so he is not ahead, he is still behind after spending a feat because the multiclass is getting mastery bonuses from two weapons every turn instead of only getting it from Nick. No he is not, he will be ahead the whole game. I don't know that 15 will be the requirement for heavy armor, but even if it is, the investment for a 15 and maxing strength is significant and more so when you consider the Paladin aslo uses Charisma for his aura and spells. You can get better Feats, bump Charisma and not lose any damage. On point buy: Start with a 14S, 17Charisma Then take GWM at level 5 (boosting strength to get your plate) and then get a Charisma feat to do more damage than you would with PAM while also having a higher Constitution. You actually get GWM three levels earlier (level 5) because you would not even get PAM (your martial arts attack does more damage than your PAM bonus). Also PAM works great in a white room, but in play it ties you to a few weapons. Everyone I have seen play PAM has eventually switched to a staff or something that did not work with it at all, because there are not many really good magic Glaives or Halberds in most campaigns. If you want to use it in play you are probably going to eventually switch to a staff because there are not many weapons that work with it besides staff. It is worth it at every level except level 5. [/QUOTE]
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