D&D (2024) Are single class martials still going to be viable in 2024?

[ECMO3]

Looking at what we know of the new rules I think you are going to really be nerfed if you take a single class Paladin, Ranger, Monk or Fighter compared to what you can do with a dip.

On a Paladin I think you are going to always want 1 Warlock level.

On a Fighter you are going to want 1 Warlock level to let you attack with Charisma or 1 Monk level to make bonus action unarmed strikes.

On a Monk you are going to want a level of Fighter or Ranger for Nick.

On a Ranger you are going to want 1 Monk level for bonus action unarmed strikes.

Multiclassing has always provided an edge, but now the boons you get with a one level dip make the difference between a dipped and non-dipped character pretty big. I don't see single class martials being competitive with these dips at most levels.

 

[Daztur]

Why would fighters want to attack with charisma?

 

[Charlaquin]

A small multiclass dip has always been optimal. Martial classes in general are stronger now though.

 

[Minigiant]

Actually the opposite

The benefits for dipping are worse in '24 than '14.

It's not worth slowing down class progress and speed to feats to multiclass dip outside of niche builds.... unless you are a paladin.

 

[Stoutstien]

Level by level multi-classing is the ultimate example of optimizing the fun out of the game. I'm not saying everybody who goes all into it don't have a perfectly valid motivation for doing so it's just that more often not they end up more dissatisfied.

 

[WanderingMystic]

So Paladins: a 1 lvl warlock for pact of the blade is nice but all of the martial styles feats provide you with are or dex so you are you are probably going to still get a fairly high str.

Fighters, if you want a bonus action attack you will be picking up PAM, GWM, Crossbow Expert, or Dual Weapon Master. With weapon Masteries I just don't see a fighter doing unarmed except for in an emergency.

Ranger: Ranger doped monk or monk doped ranger look really nice, not necessary but good. AZ

Warlock: 1st lvl fighter the rest warlock gets you armor, weapon mastery, and fighting style.

 

[MarkB]

Fighter dips are looking very tasty for a lot of the martial classes. Additional weapon mastery for versatility plus fighting style for being better at what you're specialised in.

 

[ECMO3]

Why would fighters want to attack with charisma?

Because there is no downside to it and it makes them better at the social pillar. The bigger question is why wouldn't they if they can so easily?

 

[ECMO3]

Actually the opposite

The benefits for dipping are worse in '24 than '14.

It's not worth slowing down class progress and speed to feats to multiclass dip outside of niche builds.... unless you are a paladin.

Based on what I have seen so far I would disagree. Based on what I have seen so far, a 1-level dip will be better at every single level except 5 and possibly 20.

 

[ECMO3]

A small multiclass dip has always been optimal. Martial classes in general are stronger now though.

It has, but I think the difference between non-dipped and dipped now is greater.