D&D (2024) No more Cleric and Sorc dips!

[ECMO3]

The phrasing in 2014 was open to interpretation. I always interpreted it the generous way because it made the feat more attractive.

Using actual RAW in 2014 it depends on what class you are talking about.

You "learn" a spell according to the 2014 feat descripton, meaning you "know" it. This means 2014 Eldritch Knights, Arcane Tricksters, Rangers, Bards, Sorcerers and Warlocks can cast the spell using their slots or Pact Magic. Artificers, Clerics, Druids, Paladins and Wizards can't because they can only use spell slots to cast spells they have "prepared" (unless they have a multiclass into one of the other classes).

 

[ECMO3]

For the first time in running D&D 5E, none of my players have a multiclass character by Level 4. That is remarkable because I have 3 players who almost always play multiclass characters. The 2014 Rules made so many 1-level dips too tasty to pass up. Now they are valuing getting those higher level abilities.

I'm curious to see how this goes, as we hope to go to Epic and play at L20 for a bit to enjoy it. The plan is a full 2024 experience.

That is because I am not at that table

I must say, as attached as I am to multiclassing I do feel a little bit left out when others get 20th level capstones. I don't really feel left out before that though.

 

[pukunui]

I am playing in 5 different games right now.

That's still around 6 characters per game, and the 2024 revised rules have only been available for a few months now. How have you got so many characters already? Do you play a lot of one-shots or something?

 

[ECMO3]

That's still around 6 characters per game, and the 2024 revised rules have only been available for a few months now. How have you got so many characters already? Do you play a lot of one-shots or something?

6x5=30

three of the campaigns are new, the other two converted to 2024. I am not playing any campaigns that are still using the old rules (although we do have some of the old subclasses on the new chassis).

 

[pukunui]

6x5=30

three of the campaigns are new, the other two converted to 2024. I am not playing any campaigns that are still using the old rules (although we do have some of the old subclasses on the new chassis).

Sorry. I misread the initial question and assumed you meant you personally have played 30 PCs with the 2024 rules so far, which is just insane. Being familiar with 30 PCs in total, only five (?) of which would be yours, makes a lot more sense!

 

[ECMO3]

Sorry. I misread the initial question and assumed you meant you personally have played 30 PCs with the 2024 rules so far, which is just insane. Being familiar with 30 PCs in total, only five (?) of which would be yours, makes a lot more sense!

3 are mine, in 2 of the campaigns I am DM.

 

[Horwath]

I would not play a game without multiclassing. I think in 10 years of 5E I only played one character past level 3 that did not multiclass. That character was a Kender Conquest Paladin. I did have several single class characters die before level 3 and before they multiclassed.

One interesting thing is it appears multiclassing is no longer an "optional" rule in 2024, it is a core rule. It is possible I missed something, so let me know if I am wrong in this.

my last 5 characters were single class, but I do like the option of always making a multiclass character.

problem is, that outside few broken combos, only thing that works is a single level dip cheese.
and that is just math crunching, will 1st level features outweight the lag in your primary class that you just took for it.

only multiclass that I would like is even split with extra levels, but that is in domain of house rules.
as normal, even split multiclass is a direct path to being worst character in a party.

maybe paladin with bard/sorcerer works as even split as smites do not care where those slots are coming from and later save aura will trump all features.

 

[Remathilis]

Moving Subclasses to level 3 does a lot to discourage dips. As such, Cleric and Sorcerer are a little less valuable. However, Warlock retains its value as the number one reason you dipped in 2014 (Hexblade sub) kept its primary feature in 2024 (Pact of the Blade) as a level 1 dip.