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Are single class martials still going to be viable in 2024?
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9437438" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Thanks for posting this.</p><p></p><p>Looking at your spreadsheet, I don't think you are calculating the PAM damage correctly once GWM comes online. I am pretty confident that both the PAM attack and the reaction attack are higher than they should be.</p><p></p><p>You also are not accounting for Hew bonus action attacks or Sentinel reaction attacks, both of which will drive the damage on the GWM users higher in comparison to the PAM users. I agree that 20% for PAM is conservative, but 20% for Hew is conservative too and there should be some smaller number for Sentinel.</p><p></p><p>Also the new rules allow "weapon juggling shenanigans", so this is RAW now.</p><p></p><p>Of note when I started this thread I did not realize that you could get 4 attacks on a straight class every round at level 5 with Dual Wielder. That makes a Monk dip much less attractive. I would like to see how that looks (Champion-TWF-dual wielding with Shortsword, Scimitar and 1d10 versatile Battleaxe.</p><p></p><p>You should be able to get 2 shortsword attacks (Vex), 1 scimitar attack (nick), and then a 1d10 battleaxe attack (Topple) every round. It will change round-by-round which of those 4 happen on the attack action and which happen on the bonus action, but I think you can do all 4 of these every round RAW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9437438, member: 7030563"] Thanks for posting this. Looking at your spreadsheet, I don't think you are calculating the PAM damage correctly once GWM comes online. I am pretty confident that both the PAM attack and the reaction attack are higher than they should be. You also are not accounting for Hew bonus action attacks or Sentinel reaction attacks, both of which will drive the damage on the GWM users higher in comparison to the PAM users. I agree that 20% for PAM is conservative, but 20% for Hew is conservative too and there should be some smaller number for Sentinel. Also the new rules allow "weapon juggling shenanigans", so this is RAW now. Of note when I started this thread I did not realize that you could get 4 attacks on a straight class every round at level 5 with Dual Wielder. That makes a Monk dip much less attractive. I would like to see how that looks (Champion-TWF-dual wielding with Shortsword, Scimitar and 1d10 versatile Battleaxe. You should be able to get 2 shortsword attacks (Vex), 1 scimitar attack (nick), and then a 1d10 battleaxe attack (Topple) every round. It will change round-by-round which of those 4 happen on the attack action and which happen on the bonus action, but I think you can do all 4 of these every round RAW. [/QUOTE]
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