Are there any ways to negate Evasion?

[Nail]

I just invested in a set of brass dice. They look very cool, especially when used for "important" rolls.

I look foward to using the d20 tonight as the barbarian gibberling hordes ambush the PCs...and out of the mass of raging chaos strides the barbarian lord, his bronze axe freshly sharpened, thirsty for the blood of the PCs.....

......I'm sorry. What were we talking about?

 

[Kurotowa]

what about can't be sneak attacked?

i can name many instances where this is true.

That's a built-in limitation on an offensive power, which is different from inventing a negation for a defensive power.

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

I have this mental picture of someone with their character sheet in a locked folio, and the DM asking "What is your Reflex save?" with the player answering "What's it to ya?".

Oh. My.

I'm going to have to use that on my DM.

Brad

 

[Thurbane]

Then you obviously have no idea what I am talking about.

Err, you do know the smiley at the end indicated a joke, yes?

 

[just__al]

See, I do the opposite. I ask the DM to begin with, what types of monsters does he think we will encounter often. What monsters are common for the area we are starting on. Then I pick the favored enemy based off what he tells me. I don't pick Favored Enemy: Dragons and hope or expect that th DM puts dragons in his setting. What if we are playing a setting where Dragon's don't exist?

I give my players information to make an intelligent choice and would gladly suggest some choices if asked. I just like to know what my players are capable of as it makes it easier for me to provide an enjoyable and appropriately challenging game for my players.

 

[Nail]

I just like to know what my players are capable of as it makes it easier for me to provide an enjoyable and appropriately challenging game for my players.

No argument here! I also like to surprise/be surprised by my players, which "not knowing" allows for.

For example, last night the BBEG attempted a coup de grace on a paralyzed PC. Before he rolled the critical damage (that sets the save) I did not ask: "So, what's your Fort save, again?" I did not know whether the PC had a realistic chance of surviving the tactic; I just did it.

It's alot more intense (and fun!) that way.

Spoiler

The PC failed the save, FWIW.

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

New spell.

Increase gravity. Opposite of reverse gravity, this spell doules the weight of all things in its area, fort negates.

 

[Darklone]

Summon Natures Ally, get yourself a nice bear or so with grapple stuff, pin the dude and blast the whole area.

It's not such a bad idea, rogues aren't that often well protected against AoE spells

 

[Plane Sailing]

That's a built-in limitation on an offensive power, which is different from inventing a negation for a defensive power.

A comment which is quite germane to the discussion in hand, since just as sneak attack has a built in limitation to stop you doing lots of damage at every attack, the dragonfire adept breath weapon has a built-in limitation (evasion negates damage).

Furthermore, the dragonfire adept limitation will come up MUCH, MUCH less often than the sneak attack limitation comes up (unless you plan a career of hitting thieves guilds and monastries for some reason).

So I'd recommend, Rigormortis2, that you live with this minor limitation and come up with alternative strategies for handling those situations. D&D is very much about coming up with alternative strategies... the fighter whose first response is always 'charge attack' doesn't last all that long (as the PC attacking the Behir discovered last Sunday...)

Cheers

 

[Bagpuss]

As nittanytbone said: Look to darin/damage/penalty Strength, so that your evasive foe is denied the class feature. Empowered Ray of Enfeeblement with no save is a good starter.

You'd are going to have to do a pretty massive Strength drain/damage to make them helpless, in fact I'm not sure where it says you become helpless if you are carrying over your maximum load.