Are weapon mastery feats intended to be *class-specific* multiclass feats?

[Doctor Proctor]

Yep. I expect we will see more of these for other classes. As it is, the multiclass feats are a sort of "slam dunk" to take...if not taking one meant you could be better with a specific aspect of your character, that would not be the same thing. It would be a way, for instance, to create a specialist wizard or domains for a priest. Interesting.

--Steve

Yeah, I imagine that we'll probably see some errata clearing up that whole "Class specific" thing in the PHB. Or if not there, then at least something more clear in the PHB 2, since it seems to be including both Weapon AND Implement Expertise feats of some sort.

 

[mattdm]

So, I was able to pose the question to customer service and got a helpful reply:

They're very clear and sure that the intention is, as we pretty much all assume, for the weapon mastery feats and similar to fill the same space as a class-specific multiclass feat.

They also agree that the rules as they're currently written don't say that — but again say that they are meant to.

 

[Eldorian]

I am sad to say that my bard, even after taking the fighter multiclass, was unable to take any of them. Apparently the character builder does not treat being multiclassed as a fighter as being a martial class.
--Steve

My warforged barbarian was unable to multiclass fighter and then take the Warforged Juggernaut paragon path, which requires defender role. Apparently, multiclassing fighter lets you qualify for things that require the word fighter, not the word martial or defender.

 

[Bagpuss]

I checked the character builder, and the feats are listed in the Multiclass section, so you are only able to take one of them by that measure.

I suspect this is as intended.

I am sad to say that my bard, even after taking the fighter multiclass, was unable to take any of them. Apparently the character builder does not treat being multiclassed as a fighter as being a martial class.

I'm sure it does, but once you've taken the mutliclass fighter feat you can't take another multiclass feat like the whip training. Hence to get any of those feats you need to start in a martial class. Again as intended.

 

[Ryujin]

My warforged barbarian was unable to multiclass fighter and then take the Warforged Juggernaut paragon path, which requires defender role. Apparently, multiclassing fighter lets you qualify for things that require the word fighter, not the word martial or defender.

Sounds like a programme glitch. You should submit it and see what they say.

 

[SteveC]

I'm sure it does, but once you've taken the mutliclass fighter feat you can't take another multiclass feat like the whip training. Hence to get any of those feats you need to start in a martial class. Again as intended.

The thing is, with the Bard you get an ability called "multiclass versatility" which lets you take any number of multiclass feats. It was my evil plan to acquire all of these feats and see what I ended up with. Probably for the best, as a whip/net wielder would likely not have been too useful.

The bard is a weird corner case, I'll admit. By the definitions, I believe I actually should be able to take the weapon mastery feats, since multiclassing as class X makes you count as class X. It's likely a case of the character builder not being the best place to look for rules clarifications. Still, it's a weird example, so I should probably include a with this...

--Steve

 

[Bagpuss]

I wasn't aware of multiclass versatility, on which case that is a bug and should be reported.

 

[CovertOps]

I think you're missing the possibility that while a Bard can take the Fighter multiclass feat and get abilities tied to the "Fighter" class it doesn't say ANYTHING about being able to pick up the "Martial" keyword by multiclassing. I view this to be as intended.

 

[twilsemail]

Whip Training’s requirements are as follows; Prerequisites: Dex 13, any martial class

Page 208 of the 4e PHB says “A character who has taken a class-specific multiclass feat counts as a member of that class for the purpose of meeting prerequisites for taking other feats and qualifying for paragon paths.”

Fighter is a Martial class, and as such the Bard multiclassing into fighter should qualify for Whip Training.

 

[Doctor Proctor]

Whip Training’s requirements are as follows; Prerequisites: Dex 13, any martial class

Page 208 of the 4e PHB says “A character who has taken a class-specific multiclass feat counts as a member of that class for the purpose of meeting prerequisites for taking other feats and qualifying for paragon paths.”

Fighter is a Martial class, and as such the Bard multiclassing into fighter should qualify for Whip Training.

Wrong. A Fighter draws his power from Martial power source, a Bard draws power from the Arcane power source. "A character who has taken a class-specific multiclass feat counts as a member of that class" is not the same as counting as that class' power source. I don't think there was ever any clarification on whether or not you pick up access to the new power source when you multiclass. It was only in Martial Power and the DDI articles that they actually started doing things by power source, so it's still kind of a new thing.

Is there anything in the PHB about picking up the power source when you multiclass? Or is there anything that CS has said on the subject?