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<blockquote data-quote="catsclaw227" data-source="post: 5113314" data-attributes="member: 14197">Back in the 1e and 2e days, among the 30 or so gamers we all played with, the DMs always rolled behind the screen and it was assumed that there was a bit fudging going on, both in the rolls behind the screen and for the results of the player's rolls on the table.In 3e we all started rolling out in the open because the game was supposedly much better balanced.&nbsp; There was some angry players when the occasional poorly put together encounter killed PCs (because craptasticly set CRs), but we just rolled with it (pun intended).&nbsp; And there were a lot of comments and discussions about rolling behind the screen and giving the DM some control back.&nbsp; In some cases I was DMing in other cases I was a player.In 4e, I DM mostly, and I roll out in the open, but sometimes when we aren't in a combat situation, I will sometimes make some rolls against stats, skills or defenses behind the screen.Have I fudged some rolls in 4e?&nbsp; Not nearly as much as in 1e/2e, but I will sometimes fudge the amount of HP or damage bonus a creature has when I feel like a good idea or plan by the players was made crappy by bad rolls on their side and really good rolls on my side. Bad planning by the players?&nbsp; That gets shaken out by the dice.&nbsp; But those times when the players come up with an idea that has all kinds of awesome and the dice kill it?&nbsp; Not so much fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="catsclaw227, post: 5113314, member: 14197"] Back in the 1e and 2e days, among the 30 or so gamers we all played with, the DMs always rolled behind the screen and it was assumed that there was a bit fudging going on, both in the rolls behind the screen and for the results of the player's rolls on the table. In 3e we all started rolling out in the open because the game was supposedly much better balanced. There was some angry players when the occasional poorly put together encounter killed PCs (because craptasticly set CRs), but we just rolled with it (pun intended). And there were a lot of comments and discussions about rolling behind the screen and giving the DM some control back. In some cases I was DMing in other cases I was a player. In 4e, I DM mostly, and I roll out in the open, but sometimes when we aren't in a combat situation, I will sometimes make some rolls against stats, skills or defenses behind the screen. Have I fudged some rolls in 4e? Not nearly as much as in 1e/2e, but I will sometimes fudge the amount of HP or damage bonus a creature has when I feel like a good idea or plan by the players was made crappy by bad rolls on their side and really good rolls on my side. Bad planning by the players? That gets shaken out by the dice. But those times when the players come up with an idea that has all kinds of awesome and the dice kill it? Not so much fun. [/QUOTE]

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