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<blockquote data-quote="squibbles" data-source="post: 9130185" data-attributes="member: 6937590"><p>At this point, we have a pretty good idea which subclasses will be in the new PHB, though we don't know all of them yet. What do you think of the ones they ultimately decided to include? Are there any excluded that you think are unfortunate omissions?</p><p></p><p>You're welcome to answer in mechanics or thematics terms but, for me, the main question is whether they captured the major fantasy archetypes.</p><p></p><p>For reference, here's a list of all the subclasses we've seen in the playtests so far:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">barbarian--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">path of the berserker (playtest 5 & 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">path of the wild heart (i.e. totem warrior, playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">path of the world tree (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">path of the zealot (playtest 7)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">bard--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">college of dance (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">college of glamour (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">college of lore (playtest 2 & 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">college of valor (playtest 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">cleric--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">life domain (playtest 3 & 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">light domain (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">trickery domain (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">war domain (playtest 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">druid--3 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">circle of the land (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">circle of the moon (playtest 4 & 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">circle of the sea (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">circle of stars (playtest 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">fighter--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">battlemaster (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">brawler (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">champion (playtest 5 & 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">eldritch knight (playtest 7)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">monk--3 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">warrior of shadow (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">warrior of the elements (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">warrior of the hand (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">warrior of mercy (playtest 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">paladin--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">oath of devotion (playtest 4 and 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">oath of glory (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">oath of the ancients (playtst 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">oath of vengeance (playtest 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">ranger--3 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">beast master (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">fey wanderer (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">gloom stalker (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">hunter (playtest 2 and 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">rogue--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">arcane trickster (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">assassin (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">swashbuckler (playtest 6)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">thief (playtest 2 and 6)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">sorecerer--2 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">aberrant sorcery (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">clockwork sorcery (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">draconic sorcery (playtest 5 and 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">wild magic sorcery (playtest 7)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">warlock--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">archfey patron (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">celestial patron (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">fiend patron (playtest 5 & 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">great old one patron (playtest 7)</p> </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">wizard--4 subclasses so far</p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">abjurer (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">diviner (playtest 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">evoker (playtest 5 & 7)</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><p style="text-align: left">illusionist (playtest 7)</p> </li> </ol></li> </ol><p></p><p>Please let me know if I missed any, thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="squibbles, post: 9130185, member: 6937590"] At this point, we have a pretty good idea which subclasses will be in the new PHB, though we don't know all of them yet. What do you think of the ones they ultimately decided to include? Are there any excluded that you think are unfortunate omissions? You're welcome to answer in mechanics or thematics terms but, for me, the main question is whether they captured the major fantasy archetypes. For reference, here's a list of all the subclasses we've seen in the playtests so far: [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]barbarian--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]path of the berserker (playtest 5 & 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]path of the wild heart (i.e. totem warrior, playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]path of the world tree (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]path of the zealot (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]bard--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]college of dance (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]college of glamour (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]college of lore (playtest 2 & 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]college of valor (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]cleric--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]life domain (playtest 3 & 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]light domain (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]trickery domain (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]war domain (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]druid--3 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]circle of the land (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]circle of the moon (playtest 4 & 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]circle of the sea (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]circle of stars (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]fighter--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]battlemaster (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]brawler (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]champion (playtest 5 & 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]eldritch knight (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]monk--3 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]warrior of shadow (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]warrior of the elements (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]warrior of the hand (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]warrior of mercy (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]paladin--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]oath of devotion (playtest 4 and 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]oath of glory (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]oath of the ancients (playtst 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]oath of vengeance (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]ranger--3 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]beast master (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]fey wanderer (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]gloom stalker (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]hunter (playtest 2 and 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]rogue--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]arcane trickster (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]assassin (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]swashbuckler (playtest 6)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]thief (playtest 2 and 6)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]sorecerer--2 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]aberrant sorcery (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]clockwork sorcery (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]draconic sorcery (playtest 5 and 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]wild magic sorcery (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]warlock--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]archfey patron (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]celestial patron (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]fiend patron (playtest 5 & 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]great old one patron (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [*][LEFT]wizard--4 subclasses so far[/LEFT] [LIST=1] [*][LEFT]abjurer (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]diviner (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]evoker (playtest 5 & 7)[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]illusionist (playtest 7)[/LEFT] [/LIST] [/LIST] Please let me know if I missed any, thanks! [/QUOTE]
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