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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9131033" data-attributes="member: 87792">That's simple, flexible, defensive, survivable. Thematic and play style difference. Great.Four very different playstyles. Dance I love conceptually but am slightly dubious about the balancing off. But that's polish.Healer, blaster, trickster, warrior. Great. Distinctive thematically. Trickester gods are awesome, but that domain needs fixing.Thematic symmetry,  mechanical variation. Great - although I don't trust how Moon looked after the last playtest.Brawler needs to go back to the drawing board. I dislike the Eldritch Knight - but know I'm outvoted.Shadow's great. Elements is fixed. Hand is the vanilla choice. Mercy ...?Two variants on the classic Paladin, one with a nature spin, one self interested, and one dark. I'd rather Oath of the Crown in place of Ancients as it's a different shade of grey to Glory (Glory is the self interested one who put up a LG front, crown is the one who's intensely moral sworn to someone who ... isn't). Redemption feels wanted as well.Beast Master and Hunter are the vanilla, Gloom Stalker is Batman. And a weird one. I'll take it.Pretty obvious. Assassin still needs another pass I think but much improved. Not sure swashbuckler should be there - unless they are planning that as the vanilla choice.The sorcerer is good and the psion/aberrant mind is awesome. But. Draconic is our bland of choice (one is fine), and I want more melee in the build. I despise wild magic, and Clockwork Soul is meh. I'd far rather polished versions of storm, shadow, or divine (with expanded spell lists) replace both wild and clockwork, in part to make 100% clear that only the draconic sorcerer uses just the common core sorcerer spell list.Yes, yes, yes, and yes.Meh. Evoker's the vanilla blast mage of choice. Illusionist has something and a different approach. But Abjurer and Diviner are both "generic wizard with a stunt".</blockquote>

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