Aristocrats & Nobles

[Angel Tarragon]

I have been tinkering around with allowing Aristocrats as a Core Class for my homebrew, having just acquired Mongooses Complete Aritocrat. Thing is, I already have a Noble Core Class. What should I do? Any specific changes I should make? I'm a little stuck here. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

This is a cool "Noble" template that I've gotten some use out of.

This is a nice aristocrat class by Nifft.


Hope that's the kind of thing you're looking for.

 

[Nifft]

I don't know the classes in question, but what's the problem with allowing both?

-- N

 

[Gez]

Yeah. One can be a noble without being an aristocrat (typical knight errant, or a puny "king of one hill" type of leader, more a glorified farmer than a true politician), and one can be an aristocrat without being noble (through hereditary financial or religious power, for example, rather than political).

 

[Sigurd]

Its easy to distinguish between noble classes - they are so quick to do it in the real world . Every noble will break the distinction but cling to it as an ideal.

Have one be landed and one not.
Hereditary or not - this is a good one because it gives both types something to be proud of. (hereditary usually means at least 5 generations of old money). The new rich are proud of being useful & vital. The old rich are proud of being the ones who started it.

You can have some rivalry between them.

Have one be mercantile and one not. One pure blood one not. One deals with non humans one doesn't etc.....

One committed terrible treason and nobles since then have wanted to be different.

lots of things.

 

[Wolf72]

I think the aristocrat is almost fine as is ...

give the class max starting gold, and a bonus of 100gp per lvl gained (gains +200gp at 2nd lvl ... +400 gp at 4th lvl etc) to represent his/her family money.

I'd also give leadership to them at 6th lvl as a bonus feat.

... okay that's a bit bland, the Noble class from DLCS is also pretty good if you want more ideas.