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[Artificer] UMD with multiple spells on the same scroll & when to make the roll
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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 2628494" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>Sure, but there's nowhere written "here's how you actually do it". There are only rules for CREATING a single-spell scroll.</p><p></p><p>There are no rules on how to create a scroll with multiple spells upon it - there are examples of scrolls that have multiple spells, so clearly they exist. There's a section that says 'scrolls may be made with multiple spells', but nowhere does it say "here's how you do it..."</p><p></p><p>Both of us have assumed that it's possible to do, and that we end up combining the price of scribing each spell into a single run of enchanting, and that failing at that run of enchanting ruins the entire scroll.</p><p></p><p>You've assumed that creating a multiple spell scroll requires each spell on the scroll to be cast during it's creation. You believe that each spell you write out wipes that spell from your memory at the time it is written out - so if you want to write it out twice, you have to memorise it twice.</p><p></p><p>I agree with that for the purpose of two different spells - however I believe that the same does not apply for scribing multiple copies of a spell - I believe that when you design the scroll, you write up a 'prerequisites' block, including each spell to be on the scroll, and then you must cast each of those during the creation process</p><p></p><p>Ah, see here's where I got confused. I thought that you were partially breaking up the enchanting process spell-by-spell because, frankly, that's the only way I could imagine it working. Once you've written out each spell, the spell is erased from your mind, and at that point you've succeeded at placing that spell on the scroll.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise you're doing a single creation process for the whole thing, and you're back to my process of producing a prerequisites line for the entire item, and emulating any given spell a single time.</p><p></p><p>Ah, well I sort of messed up my market and base prices there. I was actually talking about a scroll with enough CLWs on it that it would take 1 day to craft - 40.</p><p></p><p>I prefer my players to make use of feats that they have. Currently most players never scribe scrolls due to the time involved, not to mention the XP costs. Making a multi-part scroll only take a single day makes things a bit more manageable. Not to mention the fact that it lets a 1st level artificer actually use one of his major class features (his craft reserve).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 2628494, member: 5890"] Sure, but there's nowhere written "here's how you actually do it". There are only rules for CREATING a single-spell scroll. There are no rules on how to create a scroll with multiple spells upon it - there are examples of scrolls that have multiple spells, so clearly they exist. There's a section that says 'scrolls may be made with multiple spells', but nowhere does it say "here's how you do it..." Both of us have assumed that it's possible to do, and that we end up combining the price of scribing each spell into a single run of enchanting, and that failing at that run of enchanting ruins the entire scroll. You've assumed that creating a multiple spell scroll requires each spell on the scroll to be cast during it's creation. You believe that each spell you write out wipes that spell from your memory at the time it is written out - so if you want to write it out twice, you have to memorise it twice. I agree with that for the purpose of two different spells - however I believe that the same does not apply for scribing multiple copies of a spell - I believe that when you design the scroll, you write up a 'prerequisites' block, including each spell to be on the scroll, and then you must cast each of those during the creation process Ah, see here's where I got confused. I thought that you were partially breaking up the enchanting process spell-by-spell because, frankly, that's the only way I could imagine it working. Once you've written out each spell, the spell is erased from your mind, and at that point you've succeeded at placing that spell on the scroll. Otherwise you're doing a single creation process for the whole thing, and you're back to my process of producing a prerequisites line for the entire item, and emulating any given spell a single time. Ah, well I sort of messed up my market and base prices there. I was actually talking about a scroll with enough CLWs on it that it would take 1 day to craft - 40. I prefer my players to make use of feats that they have. Currently most players never scribe scrolls due to the time involved, not to mention the XP costs. Making a multi-part scroll only take a single day makes things a bit more manageable. Not to mention the fact that it lets a 1st level artificer actually use one of his major class features (his craft reserve). [/QUOTE]
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