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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7383169" data-attributes="member: 6880599">Minor illusion anyone?So I love and hate this spell. I love it because its so flexible that it really frees players to do some interesting things. I hate it because when they do something interesting that is also useful... It usually ends up in a debate.Examples? SURE!1. "If you create an image of an object" (Not a creature). Based on an actual argument I heard with one of my GMs and another player. Player: I make an image of me standing against the wall.GM: you can't make creatures or living moving objects. Player: I make an image of a statue of my self in full gear leaning against the wall. GM: Sure, a patrol walks around the corner and ignores the strange statue across the bridge and continues on their path.Player: WHAT?!?! It looks just like me and they are trying to find me why will they not head to it?GM: it looks like a badly painted statue their not interested.Player: they can't tell that from the other side of the bridge!GM: It looks like a crappy statue. If you want people to believe its you or a scary dog or what ever use use Silent Image, I am not letting you do this with a cantrip.... GM call with angry player or hour long debate with angry GM and player. Not taking a side, just something that happens. You may pick your side as you wish.2. The Shadows of the illusionPlayer: I cast minor illusion to create a balcony above me. Then I step into the shadow and use "while in shadows ability X"   Abilities that might trigger this: Shadow Step (Monk) , One with the Shadows (warlock) , etc ...- Or - Player: I cast minor illusion to create a leather tent above me shrouding me in darkness attack against me and checks to perceive me are at disadvantage because its so dark.-Or-Player: I cast minor illusion to create a box over the candle on the table, the room goes dark.GM: Illusions don't make shadows, its just in your their head. Player: Its not in their head, the spell doesn't say that. Its like a projection in real space. GM: ok, so its a project in real space, but it doesn't make shadows because the light can pass through them.Player: If the light passes through them they look like cartoons!! No one is going to believe that is real!!GM: Your right its pretty obvious, I will give them advantage on there investigation check to realize its fake. (No seriously had a GM do that. Likely just made at the player thought, The GM considered it "gaming" the system. The player called it creative use.... I just don't know)3. Can't see me. Player: I  cast minor illusion cast a wall in front of me. I use quicken spell step out from behind the wall and cast Firebolt as a bonus action then step back behind the wall.GM: The Evil Sorver casts scorching ray at...Player: He can't target me because I am behind the wall.GM: He saw you cast the wall and knows its an illusion so he can see through it.Player: He has to use his action to do that!GM: But he already knows its an illusion I am not making him roll a check when he already knows its fake.-or-Player: I  cast minor illusion cast a wall in front of me.GM: Patrol walk up ... and attacks, roll initiative.Player: But the can't see me I look like a wall!?!GM: Well you didn't take the "hide action" so they know your there and since the walls don't usually breath or make noise they took moment to "investigate" and figured your either a mimic or hiding behind an illusion. Either way this is a surprise round because YOU didn't see it coming.4. Lets really make a GM made!! combine 2 & 3!!Player: I cast minor illusion and make a pill box with a hole and its in front of the light so its very dark. They can't see me now so I have advantage on attacks against them until they investigate or shoot through the illusion and the have disadvantage the first attack against me which will likely penetrate the illusion. I use quicken spell and cast Firebolt with advantage as a bonus action through the hole.GM: You don't get advantage because the Firebolt passes thought the illusion revealing it as an illusion.Player: But there is a whole and its a striate line to the target I don't need to hit the illusion to hit the enemy.GM: they see your hand in the hole so you don't get advantage.Player: But its dark they can't see in the hole.GM: Illusions don't have shadows.Player: But if the player believes the illusion then he believes It has a shadow and he believes he can't see me.GM: Look, I am not letting you get advantage on attacks from minor illusion until it ends. True Strike only gives it to you for one round and its a cantrip too. Your not only using minor illusion to duplicate another cantrip but its better than True Strike because they can't target you and/or have disadvantage on the first attack and your advantage on attack could last for 10 turns. That's at least a first level spell if not higher. Player: Well its not technically against the rules! Its just a cleaver use of the spell!GM: It against the rules now I am house ruling it. It minor illusion cantrip is for minor unimportant things. (Ok... this one might have been men as the player... looking back... it best it was house ruled. Now that I have GM'd I completely understand)... Ah good times, when its someone else, but it gets old. Most of the players at our table just avoid this spell now other than a comedic joke once in a while, like the extra stool that's not really there... Have a seat buddy!!.</blockquote>

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