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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 5946761" data-attributes="member: 14506">You are right I did forget about the chronomancer and there was the gladiator too. Still though, I would rather see settings with specific themes that allow the core classes be interpreted in new ways rather than throw out the core classes in favor of new classes because the classes are narrowly defined and don't stand firmly mechanically on their own.Also El Madi, you and several others have made the argument that you want more classes because it makes the game more complex. Let me elucidate, you say the game needs more base classes because if someone is not playing with themes and backgrounds then it will feel limited. To me it sounds like your game will indeed use themes and backgrounds but by making the argument that others who do not want to play themes and backgrounds want the extra complexity of lots of classes strikes me odd. I don't think someone who wants lower complexity, who is willing to drop the themes and backgrounds is going to feel like enhanced gameplay exists in a 4e style class structure.The beautiful thing in my opinion is that you can get both camps very happy by having meaningful themes, turning a base class into a specialty class. To have the broad diversity of fire elementalist wizards, shadowdancer rogues, assassin fighters, and runepriest clerics yada yada yada</blockquote>