Ascetic style feats

[Kylas]

Ok so a few of the Complete books have these core class stacking feats like Ascetic Warrior and Swift Hunter. I wanted to know if there are feats like this for most class combos and if not is there a general way to see which class ability would get passed on in a combo for house rule purposes. e.g. Rouge would always stack levels for sneak attack die, Fighter would stack for feats. etc.

 

[moritheil]

Ok so a few of the Complete books have these core class stacking feats like Ascetic Warrior and Swift Hunter. I wanted to know if there are feats like this for most class combos and if not is there a general way to see which class ability would get passed on in a combo for house rule purposes. e.g. Rouge would always stack levels for sneak attack die, Fighter would stack for feats. etc.

HRs are going to rely on DM judgment (obviously).

I believe there is a thread floating around pointing out the discrepancies in the different feats - some require class levels (ascetic mage) and others do not (ascetic knight.) Also note that each feat advances class features selectively in support of some specific combination. Daring outlaw is sneak attack advanced by Swashbuckler - it isn't sneak attack advanced by anything. I imagine you know this, but your wording is a little ambiguous so I'm putting this reminder in to others who read your post.

 

[Herzog]

I've been looking for a Bard/Rogue combination feat of that sort.
(NB: sneak attack and inspire courage)

Haven't found it yet....

So as far as I know, there isn't such a feat for all classes, or at least not all (base/core) class combinations

Also, the feats specifically target base classes.
So if you later jump into a nice combination PrC, you have to rely on what that PrC gives you.

Herzog.

 

[Darklone]

Sadly several real stylish combos like bard/swashbuckler or bard/rogue do not exist... while some pretty strong ones like Swift hunter and Swift Avenger do exist (at least in Dragonmag).

I do like these feats a lot.

 

[Herzog]

@moritheil:

Also note that each feat advances class features selectively in support of some specific combination. Daring outlaw is sneak attack advanced by Swashbuckler - it isn't sneak attack advanced by anything. I imagine you know this, but your wording is a little ambiguous so I'm putting this reminder in to others who read your post.

I think the OP was referring to a generic way to construct (HR) feats like that.

So you could go to the DM and say: I want to take a feat that makes me stack my (X) class levels with my (Y) class levels, for the purpose of increasing (Z)

now, if (X) is the class not giving anything according to the feat except for class levels, and (Y) is the class originally providing class feature (Z), then any such feat for increasing class levels for (Y) should allways be for the purpose of increasing (Z).

So, if I take/construct a feat to stack rogue levels with monk levels, it will ALLWAYS increase AC. there will NOT also be a feat that increases speed.

of course, you might want that anyway, and so more generic rules should be constructed for this kind of Feats. (what is a balanced amount of class feature increases to result from such a feat....)

note that we're now really in HR territory, so maybe this thread should be moved...

Herzog

 

[silentounce]

Anyone know if there is a feat that stacks fighter/rogue? It would seem to be balanced given that Daring Warrior lets you stack for Grace, Dodge, and fighter level feat quals, and Daring Outlaw lets you stack for Grace, Dodge, and Sneak Attack. So, it stands to reason that creating a feat for stacking fighter feat qual and Sneak Attack would be balanced. I'd guess the prereq would be SA +2d6 and Weapon Specialization. Outlaw Warrior, perhaps?

I looked around and couldn't find such a feat, is there one?

 

[Elethiomel]

Anyone know if there is a feat that stacks fighter/rogue? It would seem to be balanced given that Daring Warrior lets you stack for Grace, Dodge, and fighter level feat quals, and Daring Outlaw lets you stack for Grace, Dodge, and Sneak Attack.

This assumes that Grace and Dodge are as valuable as either feat qualifications or sneak attack. The evidence does not directly support this as Grace and Dodge are always one side of the equation. It does support that feat qualifications and sneak attack are similar in value, though (which I'm not sure is actually true).

I do not know of such a feat.

 

[silentounce]

This assumes that Grace and Dodge are as valuable as either feat qualifications or sneak attack. The evidence does not directly support this as Grace and Dodge are always one side of the equation. It does support that feat qualifications and sneak attack are similar in value, though (which I'm not sure is actually true).

I do not know of such a feat.

Umm... I always thought that the side of the equation doesn't matter if there is an = in the middle. I'm not sure what you mean by always on one side of the equation.

If A=B and A=C, then B=C.

I guess what you're saying is that it's more like, A~B, A~C, so B~C.

I can see your point, now. Those Daring feats above don't do much for characters if you're not going to take a lot of levels in Swashbuckler. A character with a lot of fighter levels doesn't gain much out of Daring Warrior. Neither does a PC with a lot of rogue levels with Daring Outlaw. But a Fighter 17 / Rogue 3 with the stacking I suggested above is just crazy. I guess I never saw that because that's not what I was planning on doing.

I'll just run it past the DM in the campaign that I'd like to use it in. It doesn't seem too overpowered with Swash 6 / Fighter 6 / Rogue 8.

 

[Elethiomel]

Umm... I always thought that the side of the equation doesn't matter if there is an = in the middle. I'm not sure what you mean by always on one side of the equation.

If A=B and A=C, then B=C.

I guess what you're saying is that it's more like, A~B, A~C, so B~C.

I can see your point, now. Those Daring feats above don't do much for characters if you're not going to take a lot of levels in Swashbuckler. A character with a lot of fighter levels doesn't gain much out of Daring Warrior. Neither does a PC with a lot of rogue levels with Daring Outlaw. But a Fighter 17 / Rogue 3 with the stacking I suggested above is just crazy. I guess I never saw that because that's not what I was planning on doing.

I'll just run it past the DM in the campaign that I'd like to use it in. It doesn't seem too overpowered with Swash 6 / Fighter 6 / Rogue 8.

Actually I'm saying that,
X+Y ~ K,
X+Z ~ K

This only tells us that Y ~ Z, but not anything about the value of X. So yes, the rest of your post fits that.

 

[GilaMonster]

Apologies in advance for the semi-hijack

How would you guys do a Bard/Swash 'Daring' feat? One of the other players in the D&D game I play in would love such a feat.