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Message: <blockquote data-quote="loxmyth" data-source="post: 586084" data-attributes="member: 1255">Hey don't get me wrong, I agree that the whole Jaime thing is annoying.  I really despise him too.  I just think Martin has made Jaime a lot more sympathetic than Stannis.  I'm sure Jeremy's right, that Martin wants us to dislike Stannis and that may be partially why.I won't go into the whining too much because that is just the impression I get of him.But he should have known that Ned would have backed him.  Both Ned and Stannis are very lawful people... the difference was that Ned was tempered with compassion.  But he had no problem hacking off the head of a deserter once he decided that was what needed doing.  I truly believe Ned would have backed Stannis.  The fact that Stannis was bitter that Robert liked Ned over him really colours his responses to me.I haven't read the books in a while either, so I grant that my recollections may be hazy (I intend to remedy that!).  But I'm pretty sure that Stannis dragged his feet on is whole claim for the throne.  In this time, Ned is killed, word gets back to the North so that Robb can be crowned, and so on.Well technically, Dany is.  But I understand your point.  But really, should he have been surprised at the response he received to his claim?  This is after Ned and all his people at court are dead, so Stannis is still the only one who knows that Jeoffrey is not the rightful heir!  Why should his declaration now, after the fact move anyone more than it did before?Of course, this is the bind he's in.  He knows he's the rightful heir, but nobody else does, and his comments seem self-serving at best to the majority of bystanders.  The problem is that he doesn't appreciate the irony of it.  He states that Robb is one of the Kings that he'll assassinate, just because he's crowned himself king in the North.  Why couldn't he look at it from Robb's point of view?  That Jeoffery Baratheon, the rightful king, is an evil sadistic bastard that wrongfully had Robb's father killed, and now his scheming uncle has come out of nowhere with allegations that he's really the king!Stannis himself basically says, "You use a tool as long as it's useful.  The seven are no longer as useful as the Red God."  And this wouldn't really be much of a problem if he didn't force his men to all convert or die.I'm fairly sure Stannis knows he's not a reincarnation of this Azar guy.  He needs to fake the fire on his sword.  Heck, even Beric Dondarrion the lightning lord knows that trick!  But it serves his purposes to pretend he is.  He's basically a ends justifies the means type.Again, don't misunderstand me.  I guess saying that I despise him is a little strong; there is very little about most of the characters in the series that I like or does not frustrate me.  But I see him as far from the noble character you see him as.</blockquote>

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