Attack of Opportunity during an attack of opportunity?

[Creamsteak]

A single attack action, I believe, but you can take a single attack action as a disarm/trip/sunder as well.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A single attack action, I believe, but you can take a single attack action as a disarm/trip/sunder as well.

Disarm, Trip, or Grapple, by the Core Rules. Sunder doesn't have the necessary footnote on the Table of Action Types. (The exception is an AoO provoked by drinking a potion - the attacker can explicitly use the AoO to attack the potion instead.)

The FAQ disagrees with the Core Rules and allows Sunder.

-Hyp.

 

[Anubis]

Actually, in 3.5, Sunday IS allowed by the core rules. Here is a list of "Special Attacks" and whether or not they are an attack or a standard action. This list is from the 3.5 PH pages 154-159:

Aid Another: Standard Action
Bull Rush: Standard Action
Charge: Full-Round Action
Disarm: Melee Attack
Feint: Standard Action
Sunder: Melee Attack
Trip: Unarmed Melee Attack

 

[IceBear]

Actually, in 3.5, Sunday IS allowed by the core rules. Here is a list of "Special Attacks" and whether or not they are an attack or a standard action. This list is from the 3.5 PH pages 154-159:

Aid Another: Standard Action
Bull Rush: Standard Action
Charge: Full-Round Action
Disarm: Melee Attack
Feint: Standard Action
Sunder: Melee Attack
Trip: Unarmed Melee Attack

Well, I hope Sunday is allowed - one day weekends would suck

 

[Hypersmurf]

Actually, in 3.5, Sunder IS allowed by the core rules.

The text of Sunder states "You can use a melee attack".
The table defines it as a standard action.

If you read this as "When taking the Sunder standard action, you can use a melee attack to damage...", both sections are satisfied with no contradiction.

If you read it as "Any time you can make a melee attack, you can instead Sunder", there is a contradiction with the table.

Given two possible readings, one of which contradicts another section and one of which does not, I know which makes more sense to me!

-Hyp.

 

[AGGEMAM]

I thought a AOO could only grant a single attack! so no disarm etc? Is this not so?

An AoO grant a single melee attack but some actions are interchangable with a melee attack. Basically these are Disarm, Grapple, and Trip.

Read the table Actions in Combat, and note the these actions have this note attached.

7 These attack forms substitute for a melee attack, not an action. As melee attacks, they can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or even as an attack of opportunity.

 

[AGGEMAM]

A single attack action, I believe, but you can take a single attack action as a disarm/trip/sunder as well.

Actually this sentence doesn't make sense. The attack action is the action of attacking, disarm/trip/grapple are actions of their own and therefore not attack actions. However they all count as a melee attack.

Sunder on the other hand is a standard action.

 

[glass]

Xenos paradox

Xeno's paradox was orriginally expressed as an arrow and a tortoise, but when I was at school, I was tought it using a dog chasing a hare, which IMHO make it easier to follow, thus:

A dog is twice as fast as a hare, which it is chasing. It begins the chase 20 m from the hare. In the time it takes to close those 20 m, the hare will have move 10 m, so it is not 10 m behind. In the time it takes to close 10 m, the hare will have moved another 5 m. In the time it takes to close this 5 m, the hare will have moved another 2.5 m. And so on ad infinitum, every time the dog closes the distance, the hare will have moved, so the hare will never be cought.

Of course, an arrow is more than twice as fast as a tortoise, but as long as the tortoise is moving at all, the same applies.

I hope this makes thing a little clearer.


glass.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A dog is twice as fast as a hare, which it is chasing. It begins the chase 20 m from the hare. In the time it takes to close those 20 m, the hare will have move 10 m, so it is not 10 m behind. In the time it takes to close 10 m, the hare will have moved another 5 m. In the time it takes to close this 5 m, the hare will have moved another 2.5 m. And so on ad infinitum, every time the dog closes the distance, the hare will have moved, so the hare will never be cought.

Of course, in the time it takes the hare to move 20m, the hound moves 40m and catches him.

No paradox.

-Hyp.

 

[glass]

Of course, in the time it takes the hare to move 20m, the hound moves 40m and catches him.

No paradox.

Obviously, that is what actually happens. However, with Xeno's way of looking a series of perfectly reasonable micro-conclusions leads to a conclusion which is clearly wrong. Hence the paradox.


glass.