Augment Healing and Vigor Spells

[Henrix]

+2 when applied to 0 is 2.

+2 when applied to nothing is nonsensical - you can't add something unless there's something to add it to (even if that something is 0).

That is, frankly, nonsense

If you have nothing, and somebody gives you two apples, you have two apples.

Differentiating between spells that heal 0 hp and spells that heal {} hp seems ridiculous.

 

[Zaister]

How would Augment Healing apply to Lesser Restoration? The feat just says "damage", not specifically "hit point damage". Does ability damage qualifiy as "damage" for this?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

That is, frankly, nonsense

No, it's not.

How many 3rd-level spells can a 1st-level Wizard with an Intelligence of 18 cast?

 

[Hypersmurf]

That is, frankly, nonsense

If you have nothing, and somebody gives you two apples, you have two apples.

Differentiating between spells that heal 0 hp and spells that heal {} hp seems ridiculous.

There is an explicit difference between a Str score of 0 and 'no Str score'.

A Ranger-3 can use a wand of Cure Light Wounds - the spell is on his class list. He cannot use a scroll of Cure Light Wounds, because that requires a caster level check - d20 plus his caster level. He has no caster level, so he cannot add it to the d20 roll.

A Ranger-8 with the Mageslayer feat has a caster level of 0 (half his class level, -4 for the feat). He can use a scroll of Cure Light Wounds, by making a caster level check - d20 plus zero.

The game treats 'zero' and 'no value' as different concepts.

-Hyp.

 

[Henrix]

No, it's not.

How many 3rd-level spells can a 1st-level Wizard with an Intelligence of 18 cast?

Zero, or an empty set if you prefer that terminology, but not 0+bonus which is what the zero in the spells per day lists mean.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Zero, or an empty set if you prefer that terminology, but not 0+bonus which is what the zero in the spells per day lists mean.

Exactly. There is a difference between "-" and "0". Similarly, there is a difference between "Does not cure damage" and "Cures 0 damage."

Hyp gave other good examples of how D&D recognizes the difference between zero as a numerical value and "does not apply."

 

[Henrix]

There is an explicit difference between a Str score of 0 and 'no Str score'.

You are just trying to confuse things by talking about different subjects.

If you were right a flaming weapon would, as Saeviomagy pointed out, not any damage, as an ordinary weapon deals no fire damage.
Absence of fire damage + 1d6 fire damage = absence of fire damage.

I prefer that the above equation results in a weapon that does a d6 fire damage.


And my reading of how a Remove blindness cast by someone with Augment healing is that it cures blindness and 6 hp.

 

[Henrix]

Exactly. There is a difference between "-" and "0".

In that table and when a creature has Str -, yes. Positions which are defined.

A healing (conjuration) spell heals an extra 2 hp/spell level. There's no specific thing in the spells that say that it heals "-" hp.

The poorly worded feat does this, IMO. *Shrug*

 

[Rystil Arden]

In that table and when a creature has Str -, yes. Positions which are defined.

A healing (conjuration) spell heals an extra 2 hp/spell level. There's no specific thing in the spells that say that it heals "-" hp.

The poorly worded feat does this, IMO. *Shrug*

The way the rules work, '-' is the default unless a number is specifically given

 

[Saeviomagy]

I'm still not seeing a counter argument to "well, if that's the case, the flaming enchantment does nothing".