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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4121680" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>There's a difference between a creature with a Con score of 0, and a creature without a Con score.</p><p></p><p>There's a difference between a character with a caster level of 0, and a character who has no caster level.</p><p></p><p>There's a difference between a spell that heals 0 damage, and a spell that does not heal damage.</p><p></p><p>Let's take a 3rd level ranger. He has no caster level. I give him an orange ioun stone, which grants a +1 bonus to caster level. He still has no caster level.</p><p></p><p>Let's take an 8th level ranger with the Mage Slayer feat. He has a caster level of zero. I give him an orange ioun stone, which grants a +1 bonus to caster level. He now has a caster level of 1.</p><p></p><p>Granting a bonus to a spell that doesn't heal damage has no effect. Granting a bonus to a spell that heals zero damage increases the amount of damage healed.</p><p></p><p>Let's consider a hypothetical 1st level Conjuration [Healing] spell that cures 1d6/2 levels. When cast by a second level character, it cures 1d6 points of damage. When cast by a first level character, it cures 0d6 points of damage. Contrast this with Remove Paralysis; the hypothetical spell heals 0 damage. Remove Paralysis doesn't heal damage.</p><p></p><p>With Augment Healing, the hypothetical spell would cure 0 + 2. Remove Paralysis, on the other hand, has nothing to add the bonus to.</p><p></p><p>Vigor doesn't heal you; it grants you the ability to heal yourself. Cast on someone who already has Fast Healing 5, it would grant no benefit. You're saying "When it says 'You gain Fast Healing 2', it actually means 'The spell cures you of 2hp each round'"... but you really do gain Fast Healing 2. And that's all the spell does - it grants you the special quality, Fast Healing 2.</p><p></p><p>If I Polymorph into a wolf and bite you for 1d6, it's not the Polymorph spell that dealt the damage to you. <em>I</em> did. All the Polymorph spell did was grant me a 1d6 Bite attack.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4121680, member: 1656"] There's a difference between a creature with a Con score of 0, and a creature without a Con score. There's a difference between a character with a caster level of 0, and a character who has no caster level. There's a difference between a spell that heals 0 damage, and a spell that does not heal damage. Let's take a 3rd level ranger. He has no caster level. I give him an orange ioun stone, which grants a +1 bonus to caster level. He still has no caster level. Let's take an 8th level ranger with the Mage Slayer feat. He has a caster level of zero. I give him an orange ioun stone, which grants a +1 bonus to caster level. He now has a caster level of 1. Granting a bonus to a spell that doesn't heal damage has no effect. Granting a bonus to a spell that heals zero damage increases the amount of damage healed. Let's consider a hypothetical 1st level Conjuration [Healing] spell that cures 1d6/2 levels. When cast by a second level character, it cures 1d6 points of damage. When cast by a first level character, it cures 0d6 points of damage. Contrast this with Remove Paralysis; the hypothetical spell heals 0 damage. Remove Paralysis doesn't heal damage. With Augment Healing, the hypothetical spell would cure 0 + 2. Remove Paralysis, on the other hand, has nothing to add the bonus to. Vigor doesn't heal you; it grants you the ability to heal yourself. Cast on someone who already has Fast Healing 5, it would grant no benefit. You're saying "When it says 'You gain Fast Healing 2', it actually means 'The spell cures you of 2hp each round'"... but you really do gain Fast Healing 2. And that's all the spell does - it grants you the special quality, Fast Healing 2. If I Polymorph into a wolf and bite you for 1d6, it's not the Polymorph spell that dealt the damage to you. [i]I[/i] did. All the Polymorph spell did was grant me a 1d6 Bite attack. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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