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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8449619" data-attributes="member: 177">Umbran looks at the continent of Africa, at the plight of gorillas and chimpanzees.  He looks at Southeast Asia, and the situation of orangutans.Maybe your or my thoughts on the matter are not what we'd call universal?  Maybe, most of the time, the plight of lesser creatures really isn't one of our first thoughts?  Why, then, should it be a first thought of other people with comprehension of the workings of the Universe as far beyond ours as our comprehension is from that of chimpanzees?There is also a "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones" element to this.  Not a single one of us has said that, and that is not the only logical conclusion from what has been said.  So... take away the strawman, please, as it is not useful here.</blockquote>