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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7909936" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Again, you seem to be ranting about specific players and specific ideas. Nothing about writing a backstory means you think you are better than other people. And, I want to take a side note to say that &quot;Sorry, but my character would...&quot; isn't always this grand sin against gaming. Yeah, &quot;Sorry, but my character would totally stab you in the back and steal all the treasure.&quot; is a jerk move by a jerk player who is trying to hide that fact. But, I've also seen, &quot;Sorry guys, my character wouldn't be able to kill him, he still loves his brother.&quot; Which can be an incredibly powerful moment in the story. Or, &quot;Sorry, but my character would grab the kid and run, saving the life of an innocent is more important than saving the king right now.&quot; Absolutes are never actually absolute. &quot;Bad players say this&quot; doesn't mean that &quot;All players who say this are bad.&quot; Also, to the point of GrimDark, I think you aren't fully understanding the point that Azzy was making. The original usage of Grimdark was for the purposes of parody, when things were so dark, so drenched in violence and blood, that it almost became funny. I think the original Robocop had this, where it was so over the top violent that it was more comedic than terrifying. It's taking things far far beyond where they can still be taken seriously. For a lot of people, Ravenloft doesn't fit that. And even what you are saying about escaped human experiments doesn't push it that far. IT could, you could rachet it up and up and up until it was Grimdark, but normal horror and grittiness is not Grimdark. Or to put it in visual language This is Grimdark<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/90sestcover_4454.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />This is not<img src="https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/4TbY7bmGaA5ocW6gm-mNo8oQ-7o=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/113_4984-572525333df78ced1fcd320f.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7909936, member: 6801228"] Again, you seem to be ranting about specific players and specific ideas. Nothing about writing a backstory means you think you are better than other people. And, I want to take a side note to say that "Sorry, but my character would..." isn't always this grand sin against gaming. Yeah, "Sorry, but my character would totally stab you in the back and steal all the treasure." is a jerk move by a jerk player who is trying to hide that fact. But, I've also seen, "Sorry guys, my character wouldn't be able to kill him, he still loves his brother." Which can be an incredibly powerful moment in the story. Or, "Sorry, but my character would grab the kid and run, saving the life of an innocent is more important than saving the king right now." Absolutes are never actually absolute. "Bad players say this" doesn't mean that "All players who say this are bad." Also, to the point of GrimDark, I think you aren't fully understanding the point that Azzy was making. The original usage of Grimdark was for the purposes of parody, when things were so dark, so drenched in violence and blood, that it almost became funny. I think the original Robocop had this, where it was so over the top violent that it was more comedic than terrifying. It's taking things far far beyond where they can still be taken seriously. For a lot of people, Ravenloft doesn't fit that. And even what you are saying about escaped human experiments doesn't push it that far. IT could, you could rachet it up and up and up until it was Grimdark, but normal horror and grittiness is not Grimdark. Or to put it in visual language This is Grimdark [IMG]https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/90sestcover_4454.jpg[/IMG] This is not [IMG]https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/4TbY7bmGaA5ocW6gm-mNo8oQ-7o=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/113_4984-572525333df78ced1fcd320f.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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