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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1706135" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>1. Tough question... I don't have CW but I think it doesn't address this doubt, you probably have to speak with your DM about how does he feel about it. To one side being under Rage means you are quite reckless and cannot concentrate well (no spellcasting for example, or using certain skills) however you have to adjudicate if tactical feats require too much concentration... they don't require you any skill check, but they could be imagined to be something similar as using a Profession skill: you may have to be careful and focused to evaluate the tactical advantage and use the feat. </p><p>I suppose it could be ruled either way however...</p><p></p><p>2. Ask the designers <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> It's very typical that the writers are soo careful in trying not to write something easily exploitable that they tend to limit stuff too much. It would make very sense to have a feat which allows a creature with a Breath(Su) ability to simply use it once more per days, and I am sure that somewhere there is this sort of feat for any Su ability.</p><p></p><p>3. In theory, you don't need to be a spellcaster to take a metamagic feat. Of course, a creature who isn't a spellcaster simply has absolutely no reason why to "learn something he cannot do", which makes no sense. Because of this if you take the feat in order to qualify for the other, you are metagaming.</p><p>The polite solutions that come to my mind are (1) allow the specific character to get the second feat without the first, (2) require a different feat which makes sense, (3) rule that the second feat actually costs 2 feats to learn, because the character doesn't have other requisites (spellcasting).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1706135, member: 1465"] 1. Tough question... I don't have CW but I think it doesn't address this doubt, you probably have to speak with your DM about how does he feel about it. To one side being under Rage means you are quite reckless and cannot concentrate well (no spellcasting for example, or using certain skills) however you have to adjudicate if tactical feats require too much concentration... they don't require you any skill check, but they could be imagined to be something similar as using a Profession skill: you may have to be careful and focused to evaluate the tactical advantage and use the feat. I suppose it could be ruled either way however... 2. Ask the designers ;) It's very typical that the writers are soo careful in trying not to write something easily exploitable that they tend to limit stuff too much. It would make very sense to have a feat which allows a creature with a Breath(Su) ability to simply use it once more per days, and I am sure that somewhere there is this sort of feat for any Su ability. 3. In theory, you don't need to be a spellcaster to take a metamagic feat. Of course, a creature who isn't a spellcaster simply has absolutely no reason why to "learn something he cannot do", which makes no sense. Because of this if you take the feat in order to qualify for the other, you are metagaming. The polite solutions that come to my mind are (1) allow the specific character to get the second feat without the first, (2) require a different feat which makes sense, (3) rule that the second feat actually costs 2 feats to learn, because the character doesn't have other requisites (spellcasting). [/QUOTE]
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