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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 9129800" data-attributes="member: 6932123"><p>Another set of comparison charts.</p><p></p><p>First, a new set of barbarian builds:</p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/UTJQTTL.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>In this case, I want to compare different factors.</p><p></p><p>The blue line is the original Berserker PAM build.</p><p></p><p>The red line is the Berserker PAM build, but not using Reckless Attack. That difference shows how much Reckless Attack matters for the Berserker's damage potential.</p><p></p><p>The purple line is the PAM build with Reckless Attack, but using the World Tree subclass instead of Berserker. The difference between the purple and the blue line shows how much damage Berserker adds to the setup. It shows how much the Berserker is the damage-focused subclass. We thus want to be careful about using it as a metric for how much damage a character "should" be doing.</p><p></p><p>The green line shows a tank-focused build. It's using the World Tree subclass for temp HP support and being able to move targets around, and picked up feats like Sentinel and Mage Slayer. (I could have used Wild Heart as well; it wouldn't make a difference to this comparison.) It's using a battleaxe (topple) and shield, and not using Reckless Attack. There's lots of tools for tanking, but it's the bottom end for damage output. (NB: Using Reckless Attack on this build increases damage output by about 50%.)</p><p></p><p>And to expand the comparisons a bit, I got the fighter spreadsheet updated, so I got a chart to see where the Champion lies in comparison to the above barbarian builds.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/iI3omDu.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>The blue and green lines bracket the top-end PAM build and the bottom-end tanking build. The red line is the Berserker PAM build without Reckless Attack, while the light blue line is the Champion fighter using a PAM build.</p><p></p><p>Champion specifics: It took PAM at level 4, GWM at level 6, and Charger at level 8. Using a glaive with Graze, and the Great Weapon Fighting fighting style.</p><p></p><p>As you can see, the Champion and the non-Reckless Berserker are right on par with each other. The PAM World Tree build with Reckless Attack would be similar. This makes me feel like this is a reasonable middle-of-the-road level for damage output.</p><p></p><p>If you want to see the other Champion build results:</p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/OHUCCWP.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Here you see that a PAM build, a rapier build (with Dueling fighting style), and a TWF build all come in nearly identically for the Champion. Only the longbow does poorly. Given the consistency, it seemed reasonable to use this for comparison.</p><p></p><p>Note: Getting Vex working in the spreadsheet was a pain, and I ended up with a modest approximation in the calculations, because so many uncertainties make an exact calculation impossible. It's still a better approximation than just giving advantage and calling it a day.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Fixed 4x attack level for Champion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 9129800, member: 6932123"] Another set of comparison charts. First, a new set of barbarian builds: [img]https://i.imgur.com/UTJQTTL.png[/img] In this case, I want to compare different factors. The blue line is the original Berserker PAM build. The red line is the Berserker PAM build, but not using Reckless Attack. That difference shows how much Reckless Attack matters for the Berserker's damage potential. The purple line is the PAM build with Reckless Attack, but using the World Tree subclass instead of Berserker. The difference between the purple and the blue line shows how much damage Berserker adds to the setup. It shows how much the Berserker is the damage-focused subclass. We thus want to be careful about using it as a metric for how much damage a character "should" be doing. The green line shows a tank-focused build. It's using the World Tree subclass for temp HP support and being able to move targets around, and picked up feats like Sentinel and Mage Slayer. (I could have used Wild Heart as well; it wouldn't make a difference to this comparison.) It's using a battleaxe (topple) and shield, and not using Reckless Attack. There's lots of tools for tanking, but it's the bottom end for damage output. (NB: Using Reckless Attack on this build increases damage output by about 50%.) And to expand the comparisons a bit, I got the fighter spreadsheet updated, so I got a chart to see where the Champion lies in comparison to the above barbarian builds. [img]https://i.imgur.com/iI3omDu.png[/img] The blue and green lines bracket the top-end PAM build and the bottom-end tanking build. The red line is the Berserker PAM build without Reckless Attack, while the light blue line is the Champion fighter using a PAM build. Champion specifics: It took PAM at level 4, GWM at level 6, and Charger at level 8. Using a glaive with Graze, and the Great Weapon Fighting fighting style. As you can see, the Champion and the non-Reckless Berserker are right on par with each other. The PAM World Tree build with Reckless Attack would be similar. This makes me feel like this is a reasonable middle-of-the-road level for damage output. If you want to see the other Champion build results: [img]https://i.imgur.com/OHUCCWP.png[/img] Here you see that a PAM build, a rapier build (with Dueling fighting style), and a TWF build all come in nearly identically for the Champion. Only the longbow does poorly. Given the consistency, it seemed reasonable to use this for comparison. Note: Getting Vex working in the spreadsheet was a pain, and I ended up with a modest approximation in the calculations, because so many uncertainties make an exact calculation impossible. It's still a better approximation than just giving advantage and calling it a day. Edit: Fixed 4x attack level for Champion. [/QUOTE]
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