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<blockquote data-quote="Morlock" data-source="post: 6348773" data-attributes="member: 6776981"><p>I always thought Conan (as depicted in art) looked kind of girly with his smooth-shaven body, long hair, scant clothing, and excessive jewelry - especially that slave band. Like he'd fit right in on Venice Beach. $100 says he wore perfume.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Another reason I never thought barbarians deserved their own class. They're just fighters who can't afford good gear. Or Conan stand-ins. Barbarians didn't choose to eschew the softness of civilization and restraint so much as they were poor and couldn't afford them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These things are always relative. The Vikings <em>were</em> wild and backward compared to the Greeks. They were technologically and culturally more advanced than your loincloth-wearing hunter-gatherer, of course.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Red Sonja's a classic case of "sexism" walking; hot chick needs Gift of the Gods to 'splain her martial prowess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well said. First thing a real barbarian lucky enough to defeat a civilized enemy would do is take the dead guy's shiny mail jerkin, his better-forged sword, those nice boots...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. A barbarian's just a fighter with an alternative background. I've never seen the point of indulging the conceit about "parity" between maneuverability and armor. Don't want to wear armor? Don't wear it. But expecting a magical bonus to compensate? Granted, I'm an opinionated bastard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't seen the image yet, but just going by your description, that's how an enterprising barbarian character should look. He's picked up lots of shiny bits along the way. I know it's just a game-y thing, but I can't help but find this "no self-respecting barbarian would" thing really amusing. YES, a sensible barbarian would put on armor the first chance he got. YES, he'd ditch that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> axe for a sword first chance he got. Most of the most interesting bits about Conan are the parts he picked up that he never would have if he'd remained in Barbaria.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which Marvel Comics promptly pissed on by having them appear in an early issue of <em>Conan the Barbarian</em> (first Barry Smith run IIRC), and having Conan kill both of them effortlessly in 3 panels or so.</p><p></p><p>Wow, I finally looked at the image. What a letdown. He looks more like a real barbarian than a post-advent-of-steroids Venice Beach Barbarian, oh noes! His axe almost looks light enough to wield! Oh noes! He's wearing enough clothing to survive his environment! Oh noes!</p><p></p><p>I will admit that his apparent wealth sort of brings home the absurdity of the "yar, a barbarian CHOOSES to fight without armor or quality equipment cuz he's better that way!" silliness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morlock, post: 6348773, member: 6776981"] I always thought Conan (as depicted in art) looked kind of girly with his smooth-shaven body, long hair, scant clothing, and excessive jewelry - especially that slave band. Like he'd fit right in on Venice Beach. $100 says he wore perfume. Another reason I never thought barbarians deserved their own class. They're just fighters who can't afford good gear. Or Conan stand-ins. Barbarians didn't choose to eschew the softness of civilization and restraint so much as they were poor and couldn't afford them. These things are always relative. The Vikings [i]were[/i] wild and backward compared to the Greeks. They were technologically and culturally more advanced than your loincloth-wearing hunter-gatherer, of course. Red Sonja's a classic case of "sexism" walking; hot chick needs Gift of the Gods to 'splain her martial prowess. Well said. First thing a real barbarian lucky enough to defeat a civilized enemy would do is take the dead guy's shiny mail jerkin, his better-forged sword, those nice boots... Agreed. A barbarian's just a fighter with an alternative background. I've never seen the point of indulging the conceit about "parity" between maneuverability and armor. Don't want to wear armor? Don't wear it. But expecting a magical bonus to compensate? Granted, I'm an opinionated bastard. I haven't seen the image yet, but just going by your description, that's how an enterprising barbarian character should look. He's picked up lots of shiny bits along the way. I know it's just a game-y thing, but I can't help but find this "no self-respecting barbarian would" thing really amusing. YES, a sensible barbarian would put on armor the first chance he got. YES, he'd ditch that :):):):):):) axe for a sword first chance he got. Most of the most interesting bits about Conan are the parts he picked up that he never would have if he'd remained in Barbaria. Which Marvel Comics promptly pissed on by having them appear in an early issue of [i]Conan the Barbarian[/i] (first Barry Smith run IIRC), and having Conan kill both of them effortlessly in 3 panels or so. Wow, I finally looked at the image. What a letdown. He looks more like a real barbarian than a post-advent-of-steroids Venice Beach Barbarian, oh noes! His axe almost looks light enough to wield! Oh noes! He's wearing enough clothing to survive his environment! Oh noes! I will admit that his apparent wealth sort of brings home the absurdity of the "yar, a barbarian CHOOSES to fight without armor or quality equipment cuz he's better that way!" silliness. [/QUOTE]
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