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<blockquote data-quote="ad_hoc" data-source="post: 8882285" data-attributes="member: 6748898"><p>Thanks for the replies.</p><p></p><p>The fire resistance comes from copying the spell Fire Shield. Could give fire resistance all the time but how does that compare to getting 3 skill proficiencies from college of lore along with the spells?</p><p></p><p>The Mobility comes from copying subclasses that have dancing as their central theme. It could be argued that Bladesinger is just trying to copy Monk. Subclasses are 5e's answer to multiclassing so I think that is fine too.</p><p></p><p>Fireball would be 50% of the college of lore 6th level ability. They are melee focused but then they are also a full caster. The balance comparison should be with Valor Bard not melee classes.</p><p></p><p>The intent is basically using the PHB subclasses as a balance guide and Bladesinger as a template guide.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My concern was empowering the cantrip too much. A weakness of Bards is a lack of damaging cantrips. Produce Flame with cha damage would completely flip that.</p><p></p><p>Maybe it's just fine. Could make it all fire spells as that would exclude damage from the fire shield effect.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what other fire damage spells bards have other than heat metal.</p><p></p><p>A main consideration right now is whether bonus action flame blade attack is too much compared to extra attack from valor Bard. Valor means giving up spellcasting to make 2 regular attacks that don't even use charisma. This is far stronger with the investment of a level 2 spell for 10 minutes.</p><p></p><p>But seems like it is okay. Flame Blade is weak as written but it is also easy to go too far with buffing it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ad_hoc, post: 8882285, member: 6748898"] Thanks for the replies. The fire resistance comes from copying the spell Fire Shield. Could give fire resistance all the time but how does that compare to getting 3 skill proficiencies from college of lore along with the spells? The Mobility comes from copying subclasses that have dancing as their central theme. It could be argued that Bladesinger is just trying to copy Monk. Subclasses are 5e's answer to multiclassing so I think that is fine too. Fireball would be 50% of the college of lore 6th level ability. They are melee focused but then they are also a full caster. The balance comparison should be with Valor Bard not melee classes. The intent is basically using the PHB subclasses as a balance guide and Bladesinger as a template guide. My concern was empowering the cantrip too much. A weakness of Bards is a lack of damaging cantrips. Produce Flame with cha damage would completely flip that. Maybe it's just fine. Could make it all fire spells as that would exclude damage from the fire shield effect. I'm not sure what other fire damage spells bards have other than heat metal. A main consideration right now is whether bonus action flame blade attack is too much compared to extra attack from valor Bard. Valor means giving up spellcasting to make 2 regular attacks that don't even use charisma. This is far stronger with the investment of a level 2 spell for 10 minutes. But seems like it is okay. Flame Blade is weak as written but it is also easy to go too far with buffing it. [/QUOTE]
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