Bard to Mage Spell-Transfer

[isoChron]

Hiho,
I'm playing a Bard 4 who now gained a level in Wizard.
Many spells are shared by both classes (charm, mage armor ....)
How can the bardic part of my character teach the wizards part these spells ???

#1 scribe a scroll as bard and read scroll as mage ... I don't believe this way is reasonable.

#2 write the bardic spell directly in the wizard spell-book ... why not ?

#3 spells do the same, are called the same, but the methods to cast the spells are so different from bard to wizard that it's impossible to exchange these spells

#4 any other idea

I haven't got an idea what the rules say or what is common use.

Thanks for replies.

 

[Darklone]

Münster

Well. Officially you would have to go the write scroll routine. But don't think you could do this with bards only spells (cure light wounds).

About the other stuff: Talk with your DM. Personally, I'd think the write it into the book sounds reasonable. Kinda. After all, you don't know too many spells as bard.

 

[isoChron]

Well, sure. Cure light wounds isn't on the wizards spell list and therefor not transferable. I'm just talking about spells that are on both spell lists.
It sounds stupid that one has to scribe a scroll which is not so different from writing in a spellbook. Ok, you can argument that a scroll is a completed spell and a spell in a spellbook is manual on how to complete (cast) a spell.
But in the end it's the same spell for bards and wizards so why the detour ?

..... Münster !

 

[Tiberius]

You don't need the detour. You can scribe into your book directly from your head. Lemme dig out the relevant SRD quote:

If she already has a particular spell prepared, she can write it directly into a new book at a cost of 100 gp per page (as noted in Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process wipes the prepared spell from her mind, just as casting it would.

This quote is taken from the section regarding the replacement of spellbooks, but I don't see why it wouldn't be applicable in your case. I'd allow it, anyway.

Edit: Although, the language of the quote may preclude you from so doing, as bards do not prepare spells. In which case you would need to scribe the scroll, then copy that into the book.

-Tiberius

 

[bensei]

It is not clearly stated in the rules, but I always imagine that a bard casting Charm Person may very well perform a very different casting coutine than a wizard casting Charm Person. A bard's casting includes singing, dancing, etc., and a bard can never omit any verbal components of his spells (both somewhere stated in the PHB).

So it would make some sense if one and the same person knows how to cast a certain spell the-bard-way, but not how to cast it the-wizard-way.

On the other hand a bard could scribe scrolls of spells which appear on both spell lists...

 

[Oni]

The first way is the technically correct way, beyond that its largely up to you and your gaming group.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

The bard spell list is separate from the wizard spell list. You cannot freely transfer spells from one list to the other. Your wizard can learn new spells, but in the normal ways.

Remember, the bard gets his ability to cast spells from within, and depends upon his own personal charisma. His wizard spells come through much study and preparation. You cannot mix the two.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

For spells of the level we're talking about, those scrolls are still awfully cheap compared to the cost of scribing a spell in a spellbook. So, aside from any aesthetic objections, it's really not much of a big deal until you get to be high level.