Bardic Song, the Message Spell and the can of worms

I would not allow it because of the Suggestion possibility.

Inspire Heroics is the only bardic ability that requires a full roun to become active now. The rest are immediate effects.
 

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Thanee said:
Piratecat seems to refer to the 3.0 Bardic Music ability, IIRC you needed to play a full round prior to having any effect back then.

I sure am, darn it. We just converted to 3.5, and I expect that this will happen a lot. My apologies for muddying the waters with an old rule.
 


ConspiracyAngel said:
I do have a question though... these are Special Abilities that produce Magical Effects. I understand that the Message spell does not specify this, ... and I also understand that it is not the intent of the spell... but Why could a player not use a spell and induce other magical effects through it.

Bardic Music is either a Supernatural or a Spell-like ability, depending on which one is being used. If you are going to argue that a Bard should be able to use Message to convey them, then all Supernatural & Spell-like abilities should be able to be conveyed via Message. And if Spell-like abilities can be used, then why not spells themselves?

It is an interesting thought, but not one that I would allow in my campaign without a whole lot of evaluation. Off the top of my head, I would definitely nerf the spell duration and provide a will save for the targets. But I really doubt I would be convinced to allow it.

As well, Message delivers a whispered message. Bardic Music is generally applied via a Perform check. I have a difficult time conceptualizing a Bard toning down a performance so nobody hears it, just so you can whisper it. You lose your impact. For the same reason, I would not allow a Bard to use Bardic Music through a Telepathic Bond.

As I said, it is an interesting thought. It is creative thinking by a player to gain more utility out of the spell. However, I would have to disgree on the following grounds.
- The spell is not meant to deliver sound based spells, spell-like abilties or supernatural abilities.
- Bardic Music requires a legitimate performance to actually inspire anything. Whispering under your breath is not performing, it's jitters, and memorization. It's the verbal equivelant of fingering excercises.
 

AS much as I like the idea, I would have to say no. This is the line inthe spelldescription that leads to me to that ruling:

"The spell transmits sound, not meaning."
 

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