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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 9473971" data-attributes="member: 9254">See, I feel 5E notably is less godlike than 1e.&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's take a common fireball target: the troll. A 1e &amp; 2e troll was 33hp (hd6+6), 3e was 68hp (6d8+36) and a 5e troll is 84hp (8d10 + 40).&nbsp; A 1e fireball from a 5th level caster is 33hp so ~50% of a troll's hp, A 5e fireball 28hp is 33%.&nbsp; A 5th level longsword fighter in 1e could do d8+1 (5.5hp) at 15% of a troll vs 5e d8+4 (8.5) 10% of a troll.&nbsp; Even the lowly kobold has doubled its hp (2.25hp d8/2 vs 5hp 2d6-2) so that it takes 2 daggers or 2 magic missiles to kill.&nbsp; Add in 1e spells autoscaling, so many additional slots, no concentration constraint, long durations, and single-save spells, and 1e casters were vastly more powerful than 5e once they left the glass cannon zone.5e may level faster but the relative power level mean the levels are weaker.&nbsp; A 5th level 1e character is much closer to a 8th or 9th level 5e character from the stand point of the kinds of monsters they can fight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 9473971, member: 9254"] See, I feel 5E notably is less godlike than 1e. Let's take a common fireball target: the troll. A 1e & 2e troll was 33hp (hd6+6), 3e was 68hp (6d8+36) and a 5e troll is 84hp (8d10 + 40). A 1e fireball from a 5th level caster is 33hp so ~50% of a troll's hp, A 5e fireball 28hp is 33%. A 5th level longsword fighter in 1e could do d8+1 (5.5hp) at 15% of a troll vs 5e d8+4 (8.5) 10% of a troll. Even the lowly kobold has doubled its hp (2.25hp d8/2 vs 5hp 2d6-2) so that it takes 2 daggers or 2 magic missiles to kill. Add in 1e spells autoscaling, so many additional slots, no concentration constraint, long durations, and single-save spells, and 1e casters were vastly more powerful than 5e once they left the glass cannon zone. 5e may level faster but the relative power level mean the levels are weaker. A 5th level 1e character is much closer to a 8th or 9th level 5e character from the stand point of the kinds of monsters they can fight. [/QUOTE]

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