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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5611413" data-attributes="member: 71571">And the way you make simple weapons interesting is to give them niches where they shine.&nbsp; This new cleric is a niche where simple weapons shine.&nbsp; The alternative is to provide a lot of special effects for niche weapons to acquire, which is a great option for controllers, but subpar for other types.And using simple weapons doesn't undermine the concept of finding and using better stuff... a +2 quarterstaff is better stuff than a +1 quarterstaff, is it not?&nbsp; Moreover, what's the point of having a class designed around melee combat and simple weapons if they don't have at least one build designed around the stuff they are proficient in?&nbsp; This strange concept that clerics are about non-simple weapons baffles me, simply due to the fact that they're only proficient in simple weapons, and have no legacy support for martial clerics outside of very specific dieties.So... if you weren't of Corellon, Grummsh, Hextor, Heironeous, or Erythnul, you weren't of a deity of war, and weren't automatically entitled to using his favored weapon.Moradin's hammer?&nbsp; Let's not pretend that the god of smithys is some uber-war-god that makes all his clerics carry the biggest weapon they can find.&nbsp; Seriously.A class based around weapons needs to be able to leverage its proficiencies to be effective.&nbsp; That's the bottom line, and a cleric has simple weapons.&nbsp; So a cleric needs to be able to have some way to leverage simple weapons.&nbsp; Having simple weapons automatically suck is the opposite of leveraging them.Weapon Proficiency: ______ should NEVER, EVER, be a feat tax choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5611413, member: 71571"] And the way you make simple weapons interesting is to give them niches where they shine. This new cleric is a niche where simple weapons shine. The alternative is to provide a lot of special effects for niche weapons to acquire, which is a great option for controllers, but subpar for other types. And using simple weapons doesn't undermine the concept of finding and using better stuff... a +2 quarterstaff is better stuff than a +1 quarterstaff, is it not? Moreover, what's the point of having a class designed around melee combat and simple weapons if they don't have at least one build designed around the stuff they are proficient in? This strange concept that clerics are about non-simple weapons baffles me, simply due to the fact that they're only proficient in simple weapons, and have no legacy support for martial clerics outside of very specific dieties. So... if you weren't of Corellon, Grummsh, Hextor, Heironeous, or Erythnul, you weren't of a deity of war, and weren't automatically entitled to using his favored weapon. Moradin's hammer? Let's not pretend that the god of smithys is some uber-war-god that makes all his clerics carry the biggest weapon they can find. Seriously. A class based around weapons needs to be able to leverage its proficiencies to be effective. That's the bottom line, and a cleric has simple weapons. So a cleric needs to be able to have some way to leverage simple weapons. Having simple weapons automatically suck is the opposite of leveraging them. Weapon Proficiency: ______ should NEVER, EVER, be a feat tax choice. [/QUOTE]

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