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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lancelot" data-source="post: 4637930" data-attributes="member: 30022">I think it's a bit of both, really. He's a poor defender because he's "stupid overpowered". Given my experiences (outlined earlier in the thread), I'll admit the battlerager is an excellent defender, if there are lots of chokepoints on the map, or he can mark multiple targets, or if the DM just chucks all the (non-ranged) foes at the defender. He's an excellent defender because it's nearly impossible to kill the blighter....which in turn makes him a terrible defender, because any half-smart DM/monster quickly figures out the only way to challenge the 'rager is to sic all the artillery on him, while the melee creatures run around him (even if they take some punishment) to whack his softer buddies.I'm all for tough defenders. The paladin is a tough defender. Heck, fighters and wardens are tough defenders. But the 'rager makes the others look like a joke in terms of durability... and is giving up very little to do so.</blockquote>