Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="sledged" data-source="post: 1653735" data-attributes="member: 17045">Yes, I know this.&nbsp; In case you missed it, I mentioned this at the end of my post along with the quote from the CW.&nbsp; My calculations were based on fact that I was trying to figure out specifically how Oscar came up with a Str 108, so I stacked them in order to follow his logic.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;My 3.5 MM says LA +3 for half-dragon and LA +2 for cursed man-cow.&nbsp; I think one of the LAs changed from 3.0.&nbsp; Not only that but if the total LA had been +6, the ECL wouldn't have added up to 25, because a minotaur has six racial HD, and Oscar listed fourteen class levels (6 HD + 14 class levels + 6 LA = 26 ECL).&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Feat Acquisition and Ability Score Increases:&nbsp; A monster's total Hit Dice, not its ECL, govern its acquistion of feats and ability score increases.&nbsp; For example, 1st level minotaur barbarian has a total of 7 HD.&nbsp; It has three feats (for its 1st, 3rd and 6th HD).&nbsp; When it gains 2nd level as a barbarian, it becomes a creature of 8 Hit Dice and improves one ability score by 1 point.&nbsp; When it adds its 3rd level of barbarian, the minotaur becomes a creature of 9 Hit Dice and gains its fourth feat.&quot;
&nbsp;&nbsp; - MM 3.5, pg 291, first column, second paragraph
&nbsp;&nbsp; 
 &nbsp; &nbsp; When I said &quot;levels 8, 12, 16, and 20&quot; I meant &quot;Hit Dice 8, 12, 16, and 20.&quot;&nbsp; Sorry for any confusion.&nbsp; In class levels it would not be 4, 8, 12, and 16, but instead 2, 6, 10, and 14.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;I'll quote ruleslawyer on this one.&nbsp; To add to this, the bonuses granted by frenzied berzerker, barbarian, and berzerk (page 201 in Deities and Demigods for those reading this and wondering &quot;berzerk?&quot;) are all unnamed bonuses (boni?), as well.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;I get 83 if you removed the barbarian's Str bonus, 81 if you remove the frenzied berzerker's or berzerk's (if the berzerk's even qualifies for replacement) Str bonus.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;twenty-five or twenty seven.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Refer to the previous statements.&nbsp; I get 53 if you remove the barbarian's Con bonus.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Does animal growth work on dragons?&nbsp; Assuming of course, you're using animal growth.&nbsp; Now that I've though about it, enlarge person won't work either (that's where I got +2 size).&nbsp; It's no longer a humanoid (actually it never was one to begin with).&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;see previous.&nbsp; There's more, but I have yet to look everything up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="sledged, post: 1653735, member: 17045"] Yes, I know this. In case you missed it, I mentioned this at the end of my post along with the quote from the CW. My calculations were based on fact that I was trying to figure out specifically how [i][b]Oscar[/b][/i] came up with a Str 108, so I stacked them in order to follow his logic. My 3.5 MM says LA +3 for half-dragon and LA +2 for cursed man-cow. I think one of the LAs changed from 3.0. Not only that but if the total LA had been +6, the ECL wouldn't have added up to 25, because a minotaur has six racial HD, and Oscar listed fourteen class levels (6 HD + 14 class levels + 6 LA = 26 ECL). [indent] "[b]Feat Acquisition and Ability Score Increases:[/b] A monster's total Hit Dice, not its ECL, govern its acquistion of feats and ability score increases. For example, 1st level minotaur barbarian has a total of 7 HD. It has three feats (for its 1st, 3rd and 6th HD). When it gains 2nd level as a barbarian, it becomes a creature of 8 Hit Dice and improves one ability score by 1 point. When it adds its 3rd level of barbarian, the minotaur becomes a creature of 9 Hit Dice and gains its fourth feat." [right]- MM 3.5, pg 291, first column, second paragraph [/right] [/indent] When I said "levels 8, 12, 16, and 20" I meant "[i]Hit Dice[/i] 8, 12, 16, and 20." Sorry for any confusion. In class levels it would not be 4, 8, 12, and 16, but instead 2, 6, 10, and 14. I'll quote ruleslawyer on this one. [indent] [/indent] To add to this, the bonuses granted by frenzied berzerker, barbarian, and berzerk (page 201 in Deities and Demigods for those reading this and wondering "berzerk?") are all unnamed bonuses (boni?), as well. I get 83 if you removed the barbarian's Str bonus, 81 if you remove the frenzied berzerker's or berzerk's (if the berzerk's even qualifies for replacement) Str bonus. twenty-five or twenty seven. Refer to the previous statements. I get 53 if you remove the barbarian's Con bonus. Does animal growth work on dragons? Assuming of course, you're using animal growth. Now that I've though about it, enlarge person won't work either (that's where I got +2 size). It's no longer a humanoid (actually it never was one to begin with). see previous. There's more, but I have yet to look everything up. [/QUOTE]

Verification