Beguiler/Rogue/Arcane Trickster

[Charwoman Gene]

Is it possible to make a beguiler/rogue arcane trickster?

The Mage Hand seems to be the sticking point.

Is there one of those cantrip feats for Mage Hand?

 

[Sejs]

Night Haunt.

 

[FireLance]

Alternatively, you could persuade your DM to use the warmage variant class ability for Advanced Learning (Eclectic Learning, also in PH2) for the beguiler as well.

 

[satori01]

Beguiler/Spellthief with the Master Spellthief feat from Complete Scoundrel is even better. By sacrificing 1d6 of Sneak Attack you get to steal other peoples spell, up to 9th level.

 

[rgard]

Is it possible to make a beguiler/rogue arcane trickster?

The Mage Hand seems to be the sticking point.

Is there one of those cantrip feats for Mage Hand?

There may be a feat like that in the FR campaign book. I'll look and get back to you. Alternatively, is there a cleric domain that gives that spell? Maybe take the Arcane Disciple feat if there is.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[smootrk]

I would personally HouseRule that the Beguiler's Surprise Casting mechanic counts as equivalent to Sneak Attack (after all it is a Sneak Spell Attack for all intents). Then the Beguiler needs only get Mage Hand added to spell list either by Feat (which I have seen), by Advanced Learning, or possibly as a houserule add on - which is another possibility that I might strongly advocate as being appropriate to the Beguiler's theme (sneaky mage type), even if it does not fit exactly with the typical spell schools (but after all there are other exceptions).

Either way, a Beguiler could basically become Arcane Trickster with single class advancement in my book, which is appropriate to the theme of both the base class and the PRC IMO. Heck, if the arcane trickster was written now-a-days, instead of early in the history of 3e, then the prc would probably have provisions to include Beguilers.

 

[rgard]

Is it possible to make a beguiler/rogue arcane trickster?

The Mage Hand seems to be the sticking point.

Is there one of those cantrip feats for Mage Hand?

Found it! It's the Players Guide to Faerun. It's called, "Magical Training". It's a regional feat and it's supposed to be taken at first level. If you cast as a sorcerer (closest for Beguiler) you know 2 cantrips.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[smootrk]

In Complete Arcane there is a Feat called Spell Hand that give you Mage Hand as a spell-like power 1/day (along with Open/Close & Tenser's Floating Disk). Could this work for you?