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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8872157" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I helped!!! Helping!!!</p><p></p><p>No but more seriously, talking mostly about being powerful and impactful:</p><p></p><p>2E D&D - This is a tricky one and very dependent on what classes are available, and whether we including multiclass combos, and what rules your group followed/didn't follow on MC combos. Also depends on how high level you're going to get.</p><p></p><p>I think the most outrageous strictly-legal combo I ever saw in D&D was a <strong>Speciality Priest of Clangeddin/Fighter</strong>, which had a kit which allowed Weapon Specialization. This was upsetting but absolutely legal - SP of Clangeddin, specifically allows both multiclassing to Fighter AND picking a kit so long as it's allowed for F/C combos. The obvious kit allows Weapon Specialization, normally disallowed to MC characters (not that anyone followed that rule).</p><p></p><p>Generally speaking I'd say <strong>Bard</strong> because their XP table was ridiculous to the point where they got 5th-level spells sooner than a F/M did (on the same XP), and they were a fantastically multitalented class.</p><p></p><p>But if you were going to get to high levels, <strong>Specialist Wizard</strong> was the best - <strong>Transmuter</strong> particularly was incredible.</p><p></p><p>Shout out to <strong>Psionicists</strong> if allowed for doing some wacky but weirdly well-balanced stuff.</p><p></p><p>Special <em>Worst Class</em> award to 2E <strong>Mystic</strong>, which had misfortunate of stupidly playing once, which was basically a semi-pacifist hippy who was bad at everything except making low-grade magic candles.</p><p></p><p>3E - <strong>Wizard PrC'd</strong> into one of a number of outrageous PrCs that gave you all your normal spell advancement and a bunch of other good stuff too.</p><p></p><p><strong>CoDZilla</strong> also an excellent choice.</p><p></p><p>4E - Very hard to say because 4E was very well-balanced (sacrifices were made to achieve this of course), but I'd personally say, if we're just talking one class, maybe <strong>Battlerage Vigor Fighter</strong>? They were absolutely STAGGERINGLY hard to kill. The sheer amount of HP/THP they were coming up with was just mind-boggling, and their damage output was pretty significant. <strong>Avenger, Battlemind, Invoker</strong> were also all great classes. Vampire was a mediocre class but fascinatingly implemented. Assassin was maybe the worst class because of the terrible "Shroud" system it used.</p><p></p><p>5E - Solo all-rounder? Probably <strong>Fiend Warlock (Pact of the Tome)</strong>. Hard to put down, high CHA for social situations, and does outrageous damage, even gets to light of a lot of upcast Fireballs, and Tome gives gives ritual casting and a bunch more cantrips, particularly great for a Warlock. In a well-run party? I actually rate that over Hexblade for survivability and damage. It's almost "any Full Caster", but probably <strong>Diviner Wizard</strong> or something. <strong>Twilight Cleric</strong> is definitely strong too. Lore Bards are good but probably not as good as those. I could also see<strong> Ancients Paladin</strong>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8872157, member: 18"] I helped!!! Helping!!! No but more seriously, talking mostly about being powerful and impactful: 2E D&D - This is a tricky one and very dependent on what classes are available, and whether we including multiclass combos, and what rules your group followed/didn't follow on MC combos. Also depends on how high level you're going to get. I think the most outrageous strictly-legal combo I ever saw in D&D was a [B]Speciality Priest of Clangeddin/Fighter[/B], which had a kit which allowed Weapon Specialization. This was upsetting but absolutely legal - SP of Clangeddin, specifically allows both multiclassing to Fighter AND picking a kit so long as it's allowed for F/C combos. The obvious kit allows Weapon Specialization, normally disallowed to MC characters (not that anyone followed that rule). Generally speaking I'd say [B]Bard[/B] because their XP table was ridiculous to the point where they got 5th-level spells sooner than a F/M did (on the same XP), and they were a fantastically multitalented class. But if you were going to get to high levels, [B]Specialist Wizard[/B] was the best - [B]Transmuter[/B] particularly was incredible. Shout out to [B]Psionicists[/B] if allowed for doing some wacky but weirdly well-balanced stuff. Special [I]Worst Class[/I] award to 2E [B]Mystic[/B], which had misfortunate of stupidly playing once, which was basically a semi-pacifist hippy who was bad at everything except making low-grade magic candles. 3E - [B]Wizard PrC'd[/B] into one of a number of outrageous PrCs that gave you all your normal spell advancement and a bunch of other good stuff too. [B]CoDZilla[/B] also an excellent choice. 4E - Very hard to say because 4E was very well-balanced (sacrifices were made to achieve this of course), but I'd personally say, if we're just talking one class, maybe [B]Battlerage Vigor Fighter[/B]? They were absolutely STAGGERINGLY hard to kill. The sheer amount of HP/THP they were coming up with was just mind-boggling, and their damage output was pretty significant. [B]Avenger, Battlemind, Invoker[/B] were also all great classes. Vampire was a mediocre class but fascinatingly implemented. Assassin was maybe the worst class because of the terrible "Shroud" system it used. 5E - Solo all-rounder? Probably [B]Fiend Warlock (Pact of the Tome)[/B]. Hard to put down, high CHA for social situations, and does outrageous damage, even gets to light of a lot of upcast Fireballs, and Tome gives gives ritual casting and a bunch more cantrips, particularly great for a Warlock. In a well-run party? I actually rate that over Hexblade for survivability and damage. It's almost "any Full Caster", but probably [B]Diviner Wizard[/B] or something. [B]Twilight Cleric[/B] is definitely strong too. Lore Bards are good but probably not as good as those. I could also see[B] Ancients Paladin[/B]. [/QUOTE]
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