Best ECL = CR!

[Ferret]

Isn't it best for the ecl to equal cr?

 

[James McMurray]

Only if you want your party composed of ogres at 3rd level (CR 2 + 1 class level) or Demons at Higher levels. That means teleport without error at Will and Meteor Swarm 1/day for a 1 st level (ECL14) Pit Fiend Sorcerer.

 

[Wippit Guud]

ECL can't equal CR... CR is based off a party meeting the creature.

For example... an Ogre is CR 2, which means it's a good encounter for four level 2 character... but it would destroy a single level 2 character pretty much instantly.

 

[kreynolds]

ECL can't equal CR

12th level NPC Rogue. CR12, ECL12.

 

[hammymchamham]

12th level NPC Rogue. CR12, ECL12.

Thats if its a "standard" PC race or ECL 0 race
But, yeah. A 12th level (NPC) Human Rogue would be CR12, ECL 12

 

[kreynolds]

Thats if its a "standard" PC race or ECL 0 race
But, yeah. A 12th level (NPC) Human Rogue would be CR12, ECL 12

Yup.

 

[dcollins]

By the core rules: pixie (CR/ECL 4), werewolf (CR/ECL 3), while a werebear actually has higher CR (5) than ECL (4).

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Guys, I'm pretty sure that Wippit didn't mean "no creature can ever have an ECL equal to its CR," as if to challenge people to find counterexamples, but rather "it cannot be the rule that ECL=CR."

That horse is dead.

 

[kreynolds]

Guys, I'm pretty sure that Wippit didn't mean "no creature can ever have an ECL equal to its CR," as if to challenge people to find counterexamples, but rather "it cannot be the rule that ECL=CR."

I didn't get that at all. I got "ECL can't equal CR" and that's as straight-forward as it gets.