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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9291313" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Right? It was absolute madness.</p><p></p><p>I'm now playing on Honor mode, which is weird for me, because I'm not a big ironman guy outside of "storytelling"-type games like Crusader Kings 3 or Wildermyth, but honestly I like a lot of the rules fixes that are literally only available on Honor mode - it's just too trivial to cheese things with the way damage riders work otherwise - it's not like the game isn't full of powerful items and so on. The only change I'm against is that the nerfed Haste for melees but not for casters - either both or neither Larian! Also I kind of want to see the tougher bosses.</p><p></p><p>And it is extremely noticeable how differently you play when you're essentially "chancing it all" every major fight, and where using or not using certain abilities could be life or death, and where in a conversation, there's no take-backsies except the Inspiration re-rolls. I think I may already have screwed up in the longer term by a flippant comment to some Tieflings, but we shall see.</p><p></p><p>I just had the fight with Minthara, which I started very foolishly and un-Honor mode-ly by walking up to her and threatening her in conversation, and she and her minions mostly won initiative (I could have just thrown a spear at her dumb head... I'm a moron - I might even have had a surprise round). They dropped everyone in the party to like 70% to 50% health with various thrown bombs, started making a run for the drums, cast hold person on my main character and were close to my thrower (Karlach) that I couldn't throw in the first round. I managed to drop the guy going for the drums but not much else round 1, at the start of round 3 Lae'zel got Shoved into the pit and died, the main character got absolutely iced by Minthara's smite (Hold Person will do that!), and at the start of round 4 Shadowheart got dropped by goblins throwing rocks (one of them hit for 18 damage! None of them missed - I feel like this is not using the same improvised weapon rules as me!). </p><p></p><p>So it became a case of:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]351933[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>And thus over the course of the next three rounds, a Frenzied Karlach systematically threw all the remaining goblins into the hole, and Shoved Minthara into it (RIP pretty decent items and a great camp outfit, but I literally couldn't take any chances, because one round of smites could have dropped Karlach easy), got Shadowheart back up, threw a couple more goblins who had arrived in the hole, and then killed the alarm-eye thing. Then burned literally my two remaining res scrolls getting people back up - if I'd been smarter I'd have gone back to camp and asked Withers to do it. Oh well. But the important thing is, we lived! I would have just reloaded at the beginning of the fight normally.</p><p></p><p>We'll see if I still enjoy it after the Dror Ragzlin fight of course.</p><p></p><p>Update: Dror Ragzlin also went south but less drastically so - I was doing my patented "Sneak above him and his dudes and throw barrels of smokepowder directly on to their heads" (the candles etc. for the ritual will ignite them) manuever which I developed all the way back in beta (you do get some firing back up but mostly they're very ineffectual and those who can melee run for the ladders and then you shove them off as they come up). However, whilst I was still fiddling around trying to get my STR 8 Bard able to jump up from the top of the high wall around his area on to the beams, I got spotted. Still, only Dror and a fraction of his force came for us, and got absolutely wasted by the barrels, spears, javelins, etc. thrown down at them. This is with the Honor mode rules too so you don't get the almost multiplicative damage from Tavern Brawler and so on either (though it is still very impressive).</p><p></p><p>Also Karlach continues to crack me up after god knows how many hours - I had her sneaking and she was sneaking along, I stopped for a second and she suddenly whispers "Shadowlach!" like she's just thought of this! Then she attacks someone and says "You're not going to like this mate" as she's running towards them, just perfect (indeed they did not like it).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9291313, member: 18"] Right? It was absolute madness. I'm now playing on Honor mode, which is weird for me, because I'm not a big ironman guy outside of "storytelling"-type games like Crusader Kings 3 or Wildermyth, but honestly I like a lot of the rules fixes that are literally only available on Honor mode - it's just too trivial to cheese things with the way damage riders work otherwise - it's not like the game isn't full of powerful items and so on. The only change I'm against is that the nerfed Haste for melees but not for casters - either both or neither Larian! Also I kind of want to see the tougher bosses. And it is extremely noticeable how differently you play when you're essentially "chancing it all" every major fight, and where using or not using certain abilities could be life or death, and where in a conversation, there's no take-backsies except the Inspiration re-rolls. I think I may already have screwed up in the longer term by a flippant comment to some Tieflings, but we shall see. I just had the fight with Minthara, which I started very foolishly and un-Honor mode-ly by walking up to her and threatening her in conversation, and she and her minions mostly won initiative (I could have just thrown a spear at her dumb head... I'm a moron - I might even have had a surprise round). They dropped everyone in the party to like 70% to 50% health with various thrown bombs, started making a run for the drums, cast hold person on my main character and were close to my thrower (Karlach) that I couldn't throw in the first round. I managed to drop the guy going for the drums but not much else round 1, at the start of round 3 Lae'zel got Shoved into the pit and died, the main character got absolutely iced by Minthara's smite (Hold Person will do that!), and at the start of round 4 Shadowheart got dropped by goblins throwing rocks (one of them hit for 18 damage! None of them missed - I feel like this is not using the same improvised weapon rules as me!). So it became a case of: [ATTACH type="full" width="297px" alt="1710635043266.png"]351933[/ATTACH] And thus over the course of the next three rounds, a Frenzied Karlach systematically threw all the remaining goblins into the hole, and Shoved Minthara into it (RIP pretty decent items and a great camp outfit, but I literally couldn't take any chances, because one round of smites could have dropped Karlach easy), got Shadowheart back up, threw a couple more goblins who had arrived in the hole, and then killed the alarm-eye thing. Then burned literally my two remaining res scrolls getting people back up - if I'd been smarter I'd have gone back to camp and asked Withers to do it. Oh well. But the important thing is, we lived! I would have just reloaded at the beginning of the fight normally. We'll see if I still enjoy it after the Dror Ragzlin fight of course. Update: Dror Ragzlin also went south but less drastically so - I was doing my patented "Sneak above him and his dudes and throw barrels of smokepowder directly on to their heads" (the candles etc. for the ritual will ignite them) manuever which I developed all the way back in beta (you do get some firing back up but mostly they're very ineffectual and those who can melee run for the ladders and then you shove them off as they come up). However, whilst I was still fiddling around trying to get my STR 8 Bard able to jump up from the top of the high wall around his area on to the beams, I got spotted. Still, only Dror and a fraction of his force came for us, and got absolutely wasted by the barrels, spears, javelins, etc. thrown down at them. This is with the Honor mode rules too so you don't get the almost multiplicative damage from Tavern Brawler and so on either (though it is still very impressive). Also Karlach continues to crack me up after god knows how many hours - I had her sneaking and she was sneaking along, I stopped for a second and she suddenly whispers "Shadowlach!" like she's just thought of this! Then she attacks someone and says "You're not going to like this mate" as she's running towards them, just perfect (indeed they did not like it). [/QUOTE]
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