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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 4328869" data-attributes="member: 10095">I find this to be a load of bull. The reason people called the fighter the "newb class" was specifically because the spell lists were a huge wall of text that tended to scare off new players who didn't want to (1) read through a huge selection of spells, only a fraction of which actually apply to their class, much less level or (2) constantly flip between a poor reference list and the actual descriptions, which are scattered over dozens of pages."Hey, if you want to see what the fighter class can do, read pages 75 to 90. All the level one stuff is on the first couple pages." is way easier than "Hey, if you want to see what the wizard class can do, flip to page XX for the list, then flip between pages XX+10 through XX+100 to actually learn what they do. If you want the level one stuff, you still have to flip through all those pages for descriptions and details."I have a whole group of players that agree that the organization of the classes and powers is head-and-shoulders above how previous editions handled it. All but one have played 2nd, 3rd, and 3.5, and the one that is wholly new to D&D with 4th had less problems than the rest of us, because he didn't have any preconceived notions about organization clouding his judgment.Maybe you should take a minute and think about the fact that people have different opinions, so calling someone with an obviously different opinion an argumentative contrarian is just trying to pick a fight.</blockquote>

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