Binder and Shape Change

[Ragmon]

Hi all.

D&D 3.5 - with no erretas

So we started playing a new campaign. We are gestalt and level 18.
Since I got one 18 and the rest of the rolls were 14-15 (High powered). I decided to make a Binder/Sorcerer + Anima Mage, for that persistent Shape Change.
No that I re-read shape change I noticed that I would lose my Supernatural Abilities.
Since the Binding it self is the supernatural ability and me having the vestige is the result, and from this result I can use Supernatural Abilities.

1 Would I get the passive SU abilities from the vestiges in Shape Changed form?
2 Would I be able to use the activates SU abilities that I gain from the vestiges in Shape Changed form?

 

[Yora]

My intuitive answer would be, that you are treated as if the shapechange comes into effect first, and then the binder abilities are added to that.

If you shapechange into an orc, you can still use rods and have the benefits of magic rings. The SU abilities from a vestige are not part of the binders natural abilities, but a side effect from an activ magic effect that has been placed on you.

 

[Ragmon]

Anyone has anything else to say?

Cause this feels a bit strange/weird...
Running around as a Balor in a +4 Full Plate Medium Fortification armor, with the Pseudonatural Template... and some other stuff that don't even come close to the Balor Fullplate awesomeness.

 

[Yora]

Yes, but that's not a problem with binders.

That's a problem with shapechange being cast on anything.

 

[Ragmon]

Yes, but that's not a problem with binders.

That's a problem with shapechange being cast on anything.

Yea but with that premiss then the problem is with the casters.

But lets just stick with the OP.