Tony Vargas
Legend
Those bothering to make the comparison, in the first place, presumably.Again, who cares about the comparison of the designs if the premises are unreflective of actual games
Those bothering to make the comparison, in the first place, presumably.Again, who cares about the comparison of the designs if the premises are unreflective of actual games
So it seems, but what good are any of their conclusions if no matter which side wins the debate, both sides will inaccurately reflect the state of 5E D&D is as it's actually played?Those bothering to make the comparison, in the first place, presumably.
5e's played the way each individual DM runs it - the whole DM Empowerment/'make the game your own' thing. The winner isn't one side of the debate, it's anyone DM who gains useful insight into how to adapt the designs in question to how he runs his campaign.So it seems, but what good are any of their conclusions if no matter which side wins the debate, both sides will inaccurately reflect the state of 5E D&D is as it's actually played?
I see no reason to believe they do, and less reason to believe that the hypothetical 85% are the monolithic majority you seem to be implying. And, who cares how 5, 15, or 85% of games are run, if they don't reflect how you're going to run yours?If 5E D&D games which reflect the original design intent back in 2014 (6-8 encounters a day, no magic items) only represent 5-15% of games that are actually played
Because the comparison isn't to your game, where apparently you can take a staff of the archmage from a respected figure without consequence and 12th level fighters have legendary armor, but to all games, where the core design of the class and not Monty haul shines through.So it seems, but what good are any of their conclusions if no matter which side wins the debate, both sides will inaccurately reflect the state of 5E D&D is as it's actually played?
If 5E D&D games which reflect the original design intent back in 2014 (6-8 encounters a day, no magic items) only represent 5-15% of games that are actually played, what goes does it serve the community at large when a consensus is achieved with these unrepresentative games?
So it seems, but what good are any of their conclusions if no matter which side wins the debate, both sides will inaccurately reflect the state of 5E D&D is as it's actually played?
If 5E D&D games which reflect the original design intent back in 2014 (6-8 encounters a day, no magic items) only represent 5-15% of games that are actually played, what goes does it serve the community at large when a consensus is achieved with these unrepresentative games?
You can't just analyze it like that, because you're ignoring attunement slots. Which are an extremely huge deal. The BS has their 26 AC, but at the cost of using up two attunement slots on Bracers of Armor and a Ring of Protection. The BS taunts the Abjurer about their bulge of +1 AC and saves, and the Abjurer laughs in their crazy face and tells them that since they have a Staff of the Magi (which you can earn early in Storm King's Thunder if your'e evil enough) and a Tome of the Stilled Tongue (which they can also earn in a certain adventure in Tales of the Yawning Portal) they're still a much, MUCH better character.
You can't just analyze it like that, because you're ignoring attunement slots. Which are an extremely huge deal. The BS has their 26 AC, but at the cost of using up two attunement slots on Bracers of Armor and a Ring of Protection. The BS taunts the Abjurer about their bulge of +1 AC and saves, and the Abjurer laughs in their crazy face and tells them that since they have a Staff of the Magi (which you can earn early in Storm King's Thunder if your'e evil enough) and a Tome of the Stilled Tongue (which they can also earn in a certain adventure in Tales of the Yawning Portal) they're still a much, MUCH better character.
BS chooses Blessing of Protection (given in OOTA, in Blingdenstone) which does not require attunement. And Studded Leather +2 which does not require attunement. They then take whatever two items are stronger than the two Abjurer chose.You can't just analyze it like that, because you're ignoring attunement slots. Which are an extremely huge deal. The BS has their 26 AC, but at the cost of using up two attunement slots on Bracers of Armor and a Ring of Protection. The BS taunts the Abjurer about their bulge of +1 AC and saves, and the Abjurer laughs in their crazy face and tells them that since they have a Staff of the Magi (which you can earn early in Storm King's Thunder if your'e evil enough) and a Tome of the Stilled Tongue (which they can also earn in a certain adventure in Tales of the Yawning Portal) they're still a much, MUCH better character.
Because then balance discussions become slanted to become unreprepresentative of the community at large.Tony Vargas said:And, who cares how 5, 15, or 85% of games are run, if they don't reflect how you're going to run yours?