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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 3387166" data-attributes="member: 762">Contrary to the hype Bo9S classes did not seem overpowered in play.  They just have a lot of flash which makes them seem powerful - I ran the three classes through the Red Hand of Doom along with a duskblade (PHB II) and the duskblade outshone them all - except the crusader. Most of the white raven manuevers are fine. Even the charge ones everyone raves about are not as powerful as they look - and frankly if you can get a group to coordinate well enough to use them to good effect - more power to you, that kind of teamwork should be encouraged.White raven tactics cane be broken (especially since custserv says the crusader can apply it to himself) and it is simply wrong that a 3rd level manuever is better in most ways than a 9th level manuever (time stands still) - I would houserule it that the target affected cannot take more actions than they otherwise could (so the manuever is a tactical manuever good for flanking etc., not a timewarp).the crusader is strong but an optimized fighter, barbarian or paladin can keep up.1. Multi attribute dependancy2. Most manuevers require a standard action so no full attack.probably othersdon't see anything.As stated in posts above, the crusader is very bookkeeping heavy - manuever cards are an absolute must. I printed them up for the group (used card stock paper to make them durable) and the mechanics became easy.</blockquote>