[BoED] Apostle of Peace typo?

[Psionicist]

Hi there!

My character just leveled up and I decided to take a level of the Apostle of Peace prestige class from the Book of Exalted Deeds. When I read the class description though, I noticed something that appears to be a typo or a class feature. From the prestige class:

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Requirements
Feats: [...] Vow of Poverty.

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Class Features
Weapons and Armor Proficiency: As part of their sacred vows, apostles of peace forswear the use of armor, though they may wear magic items that protect them (such as a ring of protection or braces of armor) [...]

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A character with the Vow of Poverty feat cannot use or own any item at all, except for cheap clothes and a couple of other exceptions, so there is perhaps something wrong here. The question is if this is a class feature or a typo of some sort? Any ideas?

Thanks!

 

[Vocenoctum]

I believe it's a typo, perhaps originally they didn't have the Vow of Poverty.

 

[Kroax]

I believe it's a typo, perhaps originally they didn't have the Vow of Poverty.

Yeah, I me too.

 

[BigFreekinGoblinoid]

Personally, I think that FOUR preq feats to qualify for this PrC is too much. ( can you think of any PrC's off the top of your head that require FOUR feats as prereqs? ) As a DM, I'd OK a ruling that VoP is not necessary for Apostle of Peace.

If your DM is a stickler for the printed rules: You COULD break your vow of poverty to use magic items if that would benefit you ( but it probably wouldn't be a long term benefit unless your DM is "Monty Haul" ). Just be sure you didn't use any Vow of Poverty bonus feats you gained for Vow of non-violence or vow of peace, or you will lose them.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Personally, I think that FOUR preq feats to qualify for this PrC is too much. ( can you think of any PrC's off the top of your head that require FOUR feats as prereqs? ) As a DM, I'd OK a ruling that VoP is not necessary for Apostle of Peace.

Vow of Poverty gives so many bonus feats, the other Vow feats aren't even much of a cost.

If your DM is a stickler for the printed rules: You COULD break your vow of poverty to use magic items if that would benefit you ( but it probably wouldn't be a long term benefit unless your DM is "Monty Haul" ). Just be sure you didn't use any Vow of Poverty bonus feats you gained for Vow of non-violence or vow of peace, or you will lose them.

If you no longer qualify for Vow of Poverty, you no longer qualify for the class Apostle of Peace, so you would lose the benefits of the class. It'd be kind of pointless to do that after qualifying for it.

 

[BigFreekinGoblinoid]

Vow of Poverty gives so many bonus feats, the other Vow feats aren't even much of a cost.

Good point, but keep in mind that the first two Vow feats cannot be bonus exalted feats, so you are still looking at a pretty high minimum level for this PrC.

If you no longer qualify for Vow of Poverty, you no longer qualify for the class Apostle of Peace, so you would lose the benefits of the class. It'd be kind of pointless to do that after qualifying for it.

Correct, by the spriit of the rules, but not the letter of the rules - which was my point.

anyway:

I think that the fact that Sacred Vow and Vow of Nonviolence are the preqs for Vow of Peace is the real salient point here. Vow of poverty is just not a necessary part of the PrC's theme

 

[Vocenoctum]

Good point, but keep in mind that the first two Vow feats cannot be bonus exalted feats, so you are still looking at a pretty high minimum level for this PrC.

a human could get Sacred Vow and Vow of Poverty at first level, which gives him a bonus Vow, and he couyld get the next vow at 3rd or thereabouts. Either way, long before Concentration 10 is possible.,
If you don't have Vow of Poverty, it'd actually require you to spend normal feats instead of the Poverty feats. So, it's more of an expense without Poverty.

Correct, by the spriit of the rules, but not the letter of the rules - which was my point.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Sage at least has said so, if not a specific rule in the book. If you no longer meet the prerequisites for something, you no longer get the benefits of it.

anyway:

I think that the fact that Sacred Vow and Vow of Nonviolence are the preqs for Vow of Peace is the real salient point here. Vow of poverty is just not a necessary part of the PrC's theme

I agree, Poverty isn't tied to Peace, and it'd be as silly as requiring any of the other Vow's. But, it IS up to the DM to change. Not like it matters a whole lot for someone that can't fight.

 

[Artoomis]

...Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Sage at least has said so, if not a specific rule in the book. If you no longer meet the prerequisites for something, you no longer get the benefits of it...

I think the point is that the requirement is having the Vow of Poverty feat - not having the benefits of Vow of Poverty available. So if you have the feat but choose to ignore it and use magic items, you'd still technically qualify for the prestige class, assuming that the other feats you need were not taken with bonus exalted feats from VoPo.