Book of Templates vs Book of Templates 3.5

DMH

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I finally got my hands on the HC of the Deluxe Book of Templates 3.5 yesterday and took a hard look at the changes made since the BOT (DE) is my most favorite monster book.

First lets get over the bad:

About 10 templates have been removed, including parts of the half-humanoid. The half-ooze may sound silly, but the example showed it has real potential. I don't mind seeing the abyssal, drider, wight, half-gnome, half-kobold, greater skeleton and greater zombie templates go as they are basic stuff that is in other books or are silly. The renaming of some made exact numbers of templates removed and added difficult. The ones I miss are the vermin based constructs and undead, oozeoid, verminoid, kith construct and the sidhe.

The example on stacking is gone. Bummer, this is excellent help in doing something difficult. It also created a better elf (the aformentioned sidhe).

Rituals are gone yet some mentions of them remain. I never used the idea so it won't be missed by me.

Most of the appendix and TOCs are gone. Not that much of a problem since there is a TOC in the front.

Now for the good:

A real TOC and a better way of breaking the templates up.

About 8 new templates have been added. Fav new one has to be legion which is based on the legion of one from CC II. Flying is basic, but the example is really cool (shambling mound). The degenerate has potential since it allows some monsters to be used eariler (and give the players an idea about the full strength version).

Creature building section has been expanded. This is very useful.

Spells have been moved to their own section. I think some of them have been removed, but none of the important ones.

The good outweights the bad, even if the half-humanoid template was gutted. The best part is that those who don't buy pdfs can now own the best template book written to date.
 

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Upon fully reading it, I have to change a couple of numbers- there was about 6 removed (some have been reduced in length) and about 10 were added. The kith is still there, now called automaton. Expect my thread on templates to be bumped soon.
 

I think some of the removals were specifically to reduce overlap with advanced bestiary when it came time to decide what they wanted to focus on. Verminoid, for example, was taken from Plot & Poison, a Green Ronin source, so perhaps it is unsurprising that they used it in their own book.
 

The greater skeleton and greater zombie templates are still there, they just don't have a full writeup. Page 177, under "Greater Undead."

Demiurge out.
 

demiurge1138 said:
The greater skeleton and greater zombie templates are still there, they just don't have a full writeup. Page 177, under "Greater Undead."

As is the exoskeleton, which is why I changed the numbers. Even though the page count went down by ~70 pages, they added a lot more than was removed.

Psion said:
I think some of the removals were specifically to reduce overlap with advanced bestiary when it came time to decide what they wanted to focus on. Verminoid, for example, was taken from Plot & Poison, a Green Ronin source, so perhaps it is unsurprising that they used it in their own book.

I had the same thought went I looked through AB and compared it to BOT 3.5. If it wasn't for the overabundance of dread templates in AB, I would consider them equal in utility.
 

DMH said:
I had the same thought went I looked through AB and compared it to BOT 3.5. If it wasn't for the overabundance of dread templates in AB, I would consider them equal in utility.

Joe said the same thing, but I actually dig the dread templates. I've always liked templated undead better that "of the shelf" undead, and like that some of those that were previously templates are meaner and/or more interesting. Frex, I think it's tres cool that dread vampires can turn into swarms and think that's much cooler and scarier than the gaseous form thing.
 

I picked the new revised edition up this past week and I was pleased with the contents. I had never seen the original so i can't compare the two.
 

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