Book of the Righteous in third party products?
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Crothian
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Nightfall said:
That just their avatars. The only way they got killed was fighting Titans. And Titans aren't statted.
Okay, I think that's enough of "My god can kill your god" for today.
I really like this thread topic and I don't want to kill it with less interesting stuff like that.
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
Crothian said:
Okay, I think that's enough of "My god can kill your god" for today.
I really like this thread topic and I don't want to kill it with less interesting stuff like that.
Understood Crothy and anyway it WAS all in fun.
Myself, I haven't GOTTEN the book (awaiting a little time to pass between debts) but I DO think the mythos and other stuff WOULD suit D&D MUCH better, even if I just skimmed the book a month and half ago.
Eosin the Red
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Crothian said:
I really like this thread topic and I don't want to kill it with less interesting stuff like that.
I agree. It isn't everybook that gets strait 5 reviews by all three ENWorld staff reviewers. I would be interested to hear what worlds it would do well in. Obviously, the SL demand some unique dieties but what about some of the other d20 settings?
Any experts want to pipe up? I think it would not be that hard to adjust them into Kalamar.
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Crothian
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Eosin the Red said:
I think they would work really well in Greyhawk. Obviously, it will change some things, but I think it would be fairly managible. If I knew Greyhawk better, I'd love to write an essay on how to use BotR in place of the trasitional Greyhawk gods.
The gods in the Forgotten Realms would be a little tougher to replace. There are just so many gods over there. Soem of the churches would have to be combined and many of the FR traditionilist I think wouldn't be happy with that.
From what I've read about Iron Kindoms (mostly in the Monsternimicon) I think BotR would work there pretty easily.
Those are all the current setting that I'm sort of familiar with. I run a homebrew, so I really haven't dived into any of the current settings.
Olive said:
I quite agree with you, Olive! Which is why I'm surprised to see you say this -- isn't the conflict between the Aymarans and Hell exactly what you're referring to?
I reckon you're saying you don't like that Asmodeus is so important and that the Lawful Good gods have a beef with him -- I've seen this complaint lodged toward GR in general, that the cosmost ends up being divided between Heaven and Hell as the key players, giving short shrift to the Abyss. Is that right?
I can certain see that complaint, but I also don't think it's the defining ethos of the pantheon, that Lawful Good is opposed to Lawful Evil. There's reference to Terak (Lawful Good) leading armies against the Abyss (Chaotic Evil), a defining and generations old conflict between Zheenkeef (Chaotic Neutral) and Morwyn (Lawful Good), Terak (Lawful Good) and Tinel (Chaotic Good)... I really tried to play up Law versus Chaos conflicts quite highly. Though maybe I should have done more so! Well, there's always web enhancements!
So, I wonder if there are ways it could be modified even more to fit your needs? Things we can do on Tree of Life, you and I, to open it up for people who feel it's too focused on Hell versus Heaven?
As to the issue of OGL and use of BotR in other settings; the gods are not Open Content as I would like to continue to have some control over their use. However, as the copyright holder, I'm happy to discuss their use in other settings and would be unlikely to put up any barriers to their use. People need only email me: botr@greenronin.com.
Aaron
I voted no. I did not vote this way because I was displeased with the book (read my review here: http://www.gamingreport.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=314 ) but because I've always preferred seeing new things from other published sources.
However, that said, of all the published game-related myths out there, TBotR is my favorite (aside from my own material).
As for people who seem to think that the cosmology is dualistic, I think that's due to limited insight and observation. There are quite a few non-Lawful Evil gods and god-like beings in GR's cosmology; it's only because someone finally had the guts to make Asmodeus a full-fledged (Greater or Over) god that people are having an issue with it. I suspect this is because in many people's minds, Asmodeus is identified with the Judeao-Christian Satan... when in fact, he seems a lot more like Zoroasterinian's Ahriman and dozens of other Overlords of Evil.
My personal advice (and request) to GR is to leave their Asmodeus the way he is. He is but one part of the threat facing the cosmology, but a very vocal and out in the open threat.
However, that said, of all the published game-related myths out there, TBotR is my favorite (aside from my own material
). As for people who seem to think that the cosmology is dualistic, I think that's due to limited insight and observation. There are quite a few non-Lawful Evil gods and god-like beings in GR's cosmology; it's only because someone finally had the guts to make Asmodeus a full-fledged (Greater or Over) god that people are having an issue with it. I suspect this is because in many people's minds, Asmodeus is identified with the Judeao-Christian Satan... when in fact, he seems a lot more like Zoroasterinian's Ahriman and dozens of other Overlords of Evil.
My personal advice (and request) to GR is to leave their Asmodeus the way he is. He is but one part of the threat facing the cosmology, but a very vocal and out in the open threat.
The Serge said:
Don't worry! I don't think there's any chance of anything being actively changed. Rather, I'm interested in offering people tools and ideas to make the cosmology work for them.
The whole point of Chapter X is to hilight the elasticity of the mythology but (obviously) I couldn't foresee all the possible permutations people might need when writing it. The "Asmodeus as primary nemesis" thing has come up from many sources, and I'm interested to see what I could offer people on the Tree of Life to help alleviate their concerns.Aaron
drnuncheon
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FullTinCan said:
Sadly, no. From the opening of the book:
"The following text is designated as Open Game Content: the Preferred Weapon and Holy Orders of each church in Chapters III, IV, V, VI, and VII; the Cleric Domains, Cleric Alignments, Preferred Weapons, and Spell Preparation Times in Chapter VIII; the Alignments section of Chapter IX, and Chapter XI."
So, basically, all of the 'roolz stuff' is OGC and the 'cool stuff' is not. :/ However, it may well be that GR is willing to cut a deal outside the OGL...
J
